Do you believe in the ''nonverbal world''?

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14 Dec 2017, 9:14 pm

Do you believe people can pick up on another persons aura? Like say ''victim energy'' where the persons body language and general vibe makes them a repeated target for bullies because they exude low self confidence.

Do you believe we give off a lot more of who we are through these nonverbal cues than we think?



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14 Dec 2017, 9:42 pm

I believe in body language. It’s how animals speak. Talk is cheap :D



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14 Dec 2017, 9:43 pm

I believe we do give off that sort of "vibe."



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14 Dec 2017, 9:56 pm

Vibes, energy, aura, something.
Yes, I think it's there, and I think it's a completely different thing than body language.
I've wanted to ask for a bit now about gut feelings, or first impressions of people based on this sort of thing. And other people's thoughts and experiences with it. Like how sometimes I just instantly know that I can't trust someone, or instantly know that they're awesome people. I'm pretty good at it, which is a bit odd to think about because I'm pretty oblivious to any kind of subtlety. But when I make a snap judgement about someone like that, I'm usually right.
I also wonder how much it coincides with selective mutism, why some people just shut my brain off and others bring out my motor mouth.



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14 Dec 2017, 10:25 pm

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I also wonder how much it coincides with selective mutism, why some people just shut my brain off and others bring out my motor mouth.


Yes, people affect me like this, too. To people who feel what they think and are in the moment, I am a motor mouth. I vibe with them and feed off of it. To people who have some kind of expectation of what they want to get out of me, my brain shuts down. Like they are invading and I have to shut them out.

Not sure if the difference is ND/people who think intuitively vs NT/people who think cognitively. It could be something else that makes people feel what they think, but there seems to be a correlation as far as I've observed.



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14 Dec 2017, 10:33 pm

bethannny wrote:
Do you believe people can pick up on another persons aura? Like say ''victim energy'' where the persons body language and general vibe makes them a repeated target for bullies because they exude low self confidence.

Do you believe we give off a lot more of who we are through these nonverbal cues than we think?


A tuning fork experiment from high school physics always comes to mind for this kind of discussion. If you ring one tuning fork then put it close to another, the other will pick up the vibration and they will ring together. We are just as elemental, I can't see how it would be much different between people. It feels like that to me, anyway.



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14 Dec 2017, 11:38 pm

Just body language is incredibly powerful. I had a friend who would "heavy up" to prepare for a serious interview. He would just pretend to himself that his body was made of something very dense, and that if he didn't move in a careful, deliberate way, he might crack the floor or break a chair. He got a tremendous boost in respect.
I also knew a young woman who often walked through a very rough neighbourhood very late at night. She would, of course, watch for any sketchy men. If she saw one, she wouldn't tuck her head in and try to hurry by, she'd go right up to the first idler she saw, and tell him she was worried about being there, and ask he'd walk her home. They all behaved as perfect gentlemen.
Bullies are choosy. They fear any appearance of confidence - maybe someone knows Karate, or the cops.
I once walked right past a gangster's bodyguard, because I didn't look at all worried, and didn't know why he was there. I hear he got in big trouble.
A friend had a dog that had been known to back his guests into a corner if she had bad memories about them, and was generally quick to bark and slow to wag. I was the only one who didn't even raise her ruff.
There was a young local farmer who was more upset by traffic tickets than the rest. Then they started picking on him for minor infractions. Things got worse until two people died.



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15 Dec 2017, 1:06 am

I've always been able to communicate pretty effectively without using words. And I definitely pick up on vibes.



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15 Dec 2017, 1:13 am

Yes.


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15 Dec 2017, 3:56 am

I do believe most people can do it. But I never could do it myself, though I read books about it.


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15 Dec 2017, 6:51 am

The title of the thread is absurd.

Most human communication is nonverbal. Everyone knows that. And most nonverbal communication has nothing to do with psychic powers and with auras. Its like asking if you "believe in air". Of course I "believe" in its existence.

Psychic powers and auras may, or may not, exist. If they exist then yes, then that would be a part of "nonverbal communication". But that's just one controversial subset of nonverbal communication.you're mistakenly combining two subjects.

You can pick up a "vibe" from someone about them ( a gay vibe, or a victim vibe, or whatever). What you think of as "psychic" and as undefineable "vibe" is usually just a whole lot of non psychic data hitting you from normal sensory data that gets processed by you instantly and subconsciously. Nothing supernatural.



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15 Dec 2017, 7:01 am

Dear_one wrote:
Just body language is incredibly powerful. I had a friend who would "heavy up" to prepare for a serious interview. He would just pretend to himself that his body was made of something very dense, and that if he didn't move in a careful, deliberate way, he might crack the floor or break a chair. He got a tremendous boost in respect.
I also knew a young woman who often walked through a very rough neighbourhood very late at night. She would, of course, watch for any sketchy men. If she saw one, she wouldn't tuck her head in and try to hurry by, she'd go right up to the first idler she saw, and tell him she was worried about being there, and ask he'd walk her home. They all behaved as perfect gentlemen.
Bullies are choosy. They fear any appearance of confidence - maybe someone knows Karate, or the cops.
I once walked right past a gangster's bodyguard, because I didn't look at all worried, and didn't know why he was there. I hear he got in big trouble.
A friend had a dog that had been known to back his guests into a corner if she had bad memories about them, and was generally quick to bark and slow to wag. I was the only one who didn't even raise her ruff.
There was a young local farmer who was more upset by traffic tickets than the rest. Then they started picking on him for minor infractions. Things got worse until two people died.


Those are interesting. Especially the "heavy" guy. Reminds of ancient history class when the professor told us about how the ancient Romans valued "Gravitas" (gravity) in a person. Lol!

A family I heard about was befriended by a couple. When the couple came over the family had to put the dog away in a room because the dog would bark at the couple, and they would also have to coax the cat out of the cupboard because the cat would arch its back and run and hide when this particular couple came over.

After some weeks this couple persuaded the family to go in on some kind of investment deal, and then vanished after ripping off the family of thousands of dollars. Apparently the only family members who knew not to trust the couple were...the family dog, and the family cat! Probably because those two couldn't be fooled by the "verbal world", and only had "the nonverbal world" to go on, and saw something in the couples' body language that meant they were intruders and not friends. Or that's how it appears to me.



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15 Dec 2017, 7:17 am

Yes. :twisted:

I also believe there's a possible way to bypass superficial sociocultural biased body language and/or actor's "mask", and read something more 'internal'.
And more things beyond the 'act' or visible physics -- like actually sensing emotional energies and intent without the social visual and auditory aids that humans rely.


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15 Dec 2017, 8:27 am

naturalplastic wrote:
A family I heard about was befriended by a couple. When the couple came over the family had to put the dog away in a room because the dog would bark at the couple, and they would also have to coax the cat out of the cupboard because the cat would arch its back and run and hide when this particular couple came over.

After some weeks this couple persuaded the family to go in on some kind of investment deal, and then vanished after ripping off the family of thousands of dollars. Apparently the only family members who knew not to trust the couple were...the family dog, and the family cat! Probably because those two couldn't be fooled by the "verbal world", and only had "the nonverbal world" to go on, and saw something in the couples' body language that meant they were intruders and not friends. Or that's how it appears to me.


The first canine movie star was incredibly popular, a big German Shepherd doing noble deeds. He was popular on the set and easy to work with. He loved meeting his fans, too. After making many millions for the studio, he made a celebrity appearance at a board meeting. As soon as he walked into the room, he attacked one of the board members. Later, it was found that the guy had been embezzling.

However, there are also innocent people who got nipped by a dog as an infant, and that fear leads to a lifetime of mutual mistrust.

"One day, a farmer went out to weed his vegetables, but he could not find his hoe. As he was searching for it, he saw his neighbour's boy sneaking by like a thief. Then, he found his hoe, and saw the lad returning like a normal boy." - Chinese Proverb



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15 Dec 2017, 8:34 am

yes, I believe that people can send off vibes that can make them a target, just like when you don't smile or say hello you come off as a snob.



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15 Dec 2017, 9:03 am

naturalplastic wrote:
The title of the thread is absurd.

Most human communication is nonverbal. Everyone knows that. And most nonverbal communication has nothing to do with psychic powers and with auras. Its like asking if you "believe in air". Of course I "believe" in its existence.

Psychic powers and auras may, or may not, exist. If they exist then yes, then that would be a part of "nonverbal communication". But that's just one controversial subset of nonverbal communication.you're mistakenly combining two subjects.

You can pick up a "vibe" from someone about them ( a gay vibe, or a victim vibe, or whatever). What you think of as "psychic" and as undefineable "vibe" is usually just a whole lot of non psychic data hitting you from normal sensory data that gets processed by you instantly and subconsciously. Nothing supernatural.


I wasn't talking about psychic power lol.