Is inablity to make decisions a part of Asperger?

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Is making decisions difficult for you?
Very difficult 44%  44%  [ 19 ]
Kinda difficult 51%  51%  [ 22 ]
So so 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Rather easy, actually 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
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01 Apr 2018, 12:25 pm

I keep reading it on the net from other aspies, but I'd never found making decisions particularly difficult.


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01 Apr 2018, 12:37 pm

i'm indecisive, but only because i like to see every side of a problem evenly and the more i know, the more difficult it is to choose, everything becomes equally appealing and it all blends into shades of grays. i sometimes envy people who can stick to opinions with dedication.


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01 Apr 2018, 2:16 pm

I tend to over-think decisions, which is hard work. If I want to buy something, I often get stalled by a plethora of choices. It's better when I notice what's happening, question how critical the choice really is, and consider just taking a chance. I have more trouble when all the options are horrible, such as whether to risk cancer or get an invasive test for it. But as a perfectionist, even good options can look horrible because they're not perfect. Many real-life decisions have to be taken without enough relevent information, and I hate that. But I also hate the drudgery, frustration and time-wasting of amassing and weighing up all the data. It's nice when I notice a line of reasoning that simplifies the choice.



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01 Apr 2018, 2:40 pm

I am aware I am indecisive and it causes a lot of problems in my life, I even have it described in a psychiatric opinion as one of observable traits.

I can even struggle with such easy tasks like "Go to Shop A or Shop B for grocery shopping?" because both choices have their advantages and disadvantages (one has my favorite jogurt, the other has a payback system, one is 3 stops away, the other is 7 stops away with a tram switch, one I visit rarely so it has a lot of new things, the other changes discounts every few days and has really good deals) and I will even regret my decision while already being in the shop of choice then I might even go as far as returning home to put groceries there and get into a tram again to go to the other shop despite not needing anything in particular anymore, just because of "What if there is a short time discount for something I like".

Basically there is a lot of "what if" in my decision making so I either experience analysis-paralysis or give up and decide to go for both options. I just can't choose and when I choose I still regret.

I am not sure if it is AS trait or not but I heard it is an INTP trait and INTP is 2nd of the personality types most likely to be autistic. However the first of "autistic" personality types - INTJ - is pretty decisive so the indecisiveness might not be autism related after all.



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01 Apr 2018, 3:23 pm

I can struggle a lot with decision making; it depends very much on how much the choices can be analysed as "logical" pro's and con's rather than just preferences.

For example, buying a new piece of technology, I would find relatively simple - I define the the things which I need the thing to do, the things which would be nice but not essential, my budget etc., then "score" the candidates. The "research" can be time consuming sometimes, but I will have high confidence in my answer and am unlikely to change my mind.

OTOH, a very "open ended" decision, such as what meal I would like to eat today or what clothes to wear, can result in endless dithering, even to the point where I have ended up with nothing to eat because the shops are closed by the time I have made my mind up. I have come to understand that much of the routine and repetition in my life is about avoiding these kinds of decisions by making sure that I always have a "default" answer.

One of the surest ways to leave me completely perplexed is to ask for "the first thing that comes into your head" - I always end up frozen like a rabbit in headlights.


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01 Apr 2018, 3:44 pm

It depends.

If there is a Problem with a clear solution, then its easy to decide something. But if the solution is not clear, or if everyone wants to do something different, for example on a trip, then it will be difficult. Then I need a few seconds to decide and I will look around nervously like an idiot :D


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01 Apr 2018, 6:28 pm

Yup. Indecisiveness is a key feature of my personality.
A combination of overthinking things and not having a good handle on what I actually want.



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02 Apr 2018, 2:38 am

No. It has nothing to do with whatever you or others think it has do to with the diagnosis.

It says more about the people you read about being crap at making decisions. Sounds more like low-functioning autistics trying to decide between Tapioca pudding and watching Wapner :roll:

Seriously - can we be done with topics like this?


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02 Apr 2018, 3:10 am

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No. It has nothing to do with whatever you or others think it has do to with the diagnosis.

It says more about the people you read about being crap at making decisions. Sounds more like low-functioning autistics trying to decide between Tapioca pudding and watching Wapner :roll:

Seriously - can we be done with topics like this?


I am not sure you are right. When I read up about autism and females, indecision and inability to choose featured quite a fair bit. It was also stuff that they asked about at my daughter's assessment.

My daughter did (does) really struggle with choice and being decisive. It can reduced her to crippling avoidance. I think it is a skill to some extent though and through simple exercises I have tried to train her to become better at making choices. For example I started giving her pocket money at a really young age. Not really because I thought she should have pocket money but because it gave us an opportunity to go to the toy shop and navigate the (for her) very challenging endeavour of choosing something, committing to it, and leaving. This was initially fairly torturous. She would personify each item in the shop. She would feel the things she didn't choose had feelings. She would worry extensively about the thing she chose being breakable or injured or fragile. The first few times we would have to leave and go to the car and calm down several times. But with patience and perseverance she has now become far better at choice and can handle herself fairly well.

In myself my biggest problem with decision making is committing to something (like attending a conference) and then getting cold feet and talking myself out of it.


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02 Apr 2018, 3:33 am

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A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction.
failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level.
a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people).
lack of social or emotional reciprocity.

B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus.
apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals.
stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements).
persistent preoccupation with parts of objects.

C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning

D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

F. Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.


Where does it say "inability to make decisions" in the above text?

Making decisions is not hard. Think for a minute, and make one. If it is the wrong one, change.


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02 Apr 2018, 4:11 am

^^ well thankfully that is not all I read or it might have taken a decade longer to get my daughter assessed.

I am sorry for not making it clearer, I don’t think it is a defining feature of as but that many people with as seem to find it a challenge in different ways and it crops up in wider descriptions of traits just as the op suggests. However, maybe that is coincidental. Either way, we are plowing through it as it poses a challenge for us.


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02 Apr 2018, 7:11 am

Ichinin wrote:
Making decisions is not hard. Think for a minute, and make one. If it is the wrong one, change.


Well, yeah...
If you put it like that, auditory processing is not hard either. Listen to the words, work out what they mean. If you're not sure, ask them to repeat.



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02 Apr 2018, 7:37 am

Ichinin wrote:
No. It has nothing to do with whatever you or others think it has do to with the diagnosis.

It says more about the people you read about being crap at making decisions. Sounds more like low-functioning autistics trying to decide between Tapioca pudding and watching Wapner :roll:

Seriously - can we be done with topics like this?


Personally I don't mind topics like this. We don't know the correlation between indecisiveness and ASD, so why shouldn't those interested in the matter have a thread to talk about it? There are tons of threads on WP that don't happen to interest me, but they obviously interest somebody, so my solution is to just scroll past them and let them explore whatever they want to. Somehow I sense that if I were to post on a topic just to call it stupid, it would just annoy the people who had posted there, most of whom wouldn't agree with me. Diagnostic manuals don't list every feature of a disorder, and it can be interesting to look at what they don't list.



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02 Apr 2018, 7:56 am

Ichinin wrote:
No. It has nothing to do with whatever you or others think it has do to with the diagnosis.

It says more about the people you read about being crap at making decisions. Sounds more like low-functioning autistics trying to decide between Tapioca pudding and watching Wapner :roll:
Can you show evidence of people with lower IQ's finding it harder to make decisions.

I procrastinate terribly over most decisions but oddly can make big ones. I believe this is because the big ones are more about me personally and therefor things are more under my control.



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02 Apr 2018, 8:06 am

Yeah, It takes way more time for me to make any decision. Even just picking something to eat at a restaurant.

I often toss a coin as a trick. It's easier to tell if you don't really like a choice made for you.

And this approach really helped with bigger decisions: https://sivers.org/hellyeah



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02 Apr 2018, 9:11 am

When I am tired, I can't make decisions easily. Otherwise, I pretty much know what I want well ahead of time. Indecision normally irritates me.