People using "autism" as an excuse of bad quality work

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07 May 2018, 9:38 am

I really hate it when people use the, "sorry, I have autism" as an excuse of submitting poor works, like horrible art / music/ science homework, etc.

There are so many organizations that claim certain horrible artists are "talented" in art, and then when people pick on their mistakes, they say "sorry, I have autism", as if people should expect lower quality art from an autistic person??

And they want people to pay for their horrible art just because they have autism?
People pay for my art without me telling my clients that I have autism.
I've always been competing with NT's.
Autism doesn't make you handicapped in art.

It gives us a bad name.
People associate charity art with low quality art.

Autism doesn't make you bad at art or science or anything apart from social skills and organization skills.
In fact, many autistic people are actually BETTER at art/ maths compared to NT's.

What makes people think they can use it as an excuse?
How come the charity organizations like to pick horrible art to "show off"?
Why can't charities for autism pick better art from autistic people?

I'm sure a lot of professionals are autistic.
Why can't we organize clubs for these autistic professionals to meet up?



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07 May 2018, 12:15 pm

Autistic people are often more creative because of different thinking patterns.

People will use anything to excuse bad work or behavior.

Autistic social differences make it more difficult for Autistic people to organize. That does not make it impossible. It is fear of social failure and lack of self-esteem that prevents Autistic people from organizing not Autism.


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07 May 2018, 12:25 pm

Yet another hogwash excuse made by some bloke who are trying to spread disinformation about us...-_- :roll:



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07 May 2018, 1:28 pm

I don't think it's always an excuse though. An autistic person i know is studying design and while he's very talented the kind of work they expect from him is very different from what he can do. We used to take art courses and his way of drawing was very different and unique compared to mine.



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07 May 2018, 1:46 pm

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07 May 2018, 4:43 pm

I don't see it as an excuse, but as a responsibility to do better to compensate for what I don't have.



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07 May 2018, 5:29 pm

What is good art? What is bad art? What you or I like or don't like? It's very subjective, and I wonder what led you to create this thread - some incident?

I think there is a huge double standard applied to people on the spectrum, when they do great work in any field, it's rarely attributed to their AS talents, but when/if they fail, AS is blamed.

I have never heard any person, in the whole of my long life, using autism as an excuse for poor work. I have never advanced such an excuse myself, nor has anyone I know.



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07 May 2018, 9:08 pm

I have never heard anyone use Autism as an excuse for poor work. I suck at math because I suck at math. It has nothing to do with my Autism.

Now there are things that are Autism that make it more difficult for me to do work like executive functioning dificiencies and literal thinking and things like that. But with the right accommodations, I can do work to a very high standard of quality.


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07 May 2018, 9:10 pm

^^^And you can ski pretty well, too.......



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07 May 2018, 10:00 pm

Every time I see a post like someone with autism is performing at Carnegie Hall, my eyes can't roll back any further. REALLY? I would wager a guess of rate professional artists with autism as very high. Maybe not diagnosed, but who else works that hard?



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08 May 2018, 3:50 am

I am autistic and I teach illustration to mainly kids.
( I didn't tell my clients about my autism)

But there's this autistic adult I'm teaching who is really difficult to teach. (Way worse than say, 4 year olds)
Honestly, I find him really really frustrating to teach.
He makes mistakes that most people won't make, and what's even worse, he repeats the same mistakes over and over again.
I don't know what makes him want an art career. He really has no talent.
He really isn't making it.

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What is good art? What is bad art? What you or I like or don't like? It's very subjective, and I wonder what led you to create this thread - some incident?

I think there is a huge double standard applied to people on the spectrum, when they do great work in any field, it's rarely attributed to their AS talents, but when/if they fail, AS is blamed.

I have never heard any person, in the whole of my long life, using autism as an excuse for poor work. I have never advanced such an excuse myself, nor has anyone I know.

What's professional art and what's not is still pretty objective instead of subjective.
If you really think that art is entirely subjective, you probably aren't a professional.



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08 May 2018, 8:57 am

I think that expression sounds super offensive. “Sorry I have autism.” Try replacing that with something else and see how it sounds-like if I made a driving mistake and then I said to my passenger, “sorry, I’m a woman.” I could use worse examples but you get my point.



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08 May 2018, 12:32 pm

SuSaNnA wrote:
I really hate it when people use the, "sorry, I have autism" as an excuse of submitting poor works, like horrible art / music/ science homework, etc.


This is subjective...music is a matter of taste as is art. As to science homework if someone struggles with a particular area (and even NTs have this difficulty) they will struggle with it. It's not an excuse, its a justifiable reason.

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There are so many organizations that claim certain horrible artists are "talented" in art, and then when people pick on their mistakes, they say "sorry, I have autism", as if people should expect lower quality art from an autistic person??

And they want people to pay for their horrible art just because they have autism?
People pay for my art without me telling my clients that I have autism.
I've always been competing with NT's.
Autism doesn't make you handicapped in art.



Art is a matter of taste, but many people won't buy from someone if they don't like the Artist. Arrogance will not make you popular. Do not condemn other artists....this does not seem right. Art is about exploring creativity and human imagination not about being the best of the best of the best.

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It gives us a bad name.
People associate charity art with low quality art.


No this is just what you believe. That does not make it a truth. A belief and a truth is not the same thing.

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Autism doesn't make you bad at art or science or anything apart from social skills and organization skills.
In fact, many autistic people are actually BETTER at art/ maths compared to NT's.


Incorrect...its a human trait and is not determined by whether you have austim or not. Social issues yes, artistic talent no. Many NTs are very talented when it comes to Art and Design.

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What makes people think they can use it as an excuse?
How come the charity organizations like to pick horrible art to "show off"?
Why can't charities for autism pick better art from autistic people?



When you say horrible art what you really mean is 'Art I do not like and that does not match my tastes'. There is no 'right' art, or 'perfect' art or 'terrible art' there is just art and personal preference. Just becuase you dont appreciate, like or understand something, that does not make it wrong or bad!



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09 May 2018, 2:09 am

Earthbound_Alien wrote:
SuSaNnA wrote:
I really hate it when people use the, "sorry, I have autism" as an excuse of submitting poor works, like horrible art / music/ science homework, etc.


This is subjective...music is a matter of taste as is art. As to science homework if someone struggles with a particular area (and even NTs have this difficulty) they will struggle with it. It's not an excuse, its a justifiable reason.

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There are so many organizations that claim certain horrible artists are "talented" in art, and then when people pick on their mistakes, they say "sorry, I have autism", as if people should expect lower quality art from an autistic person??

And they want people to pay for their horrible art just because they have autism?
People pay for my art without me telling my clients that I have autism.
I've always been competing with NT's.
Autism doesn't make you handicapped in art.



Art is a matter of taste, but many people won't buy from someone if they don't like the Artist. Arrogance will not make you popular. Do not condemn other artists....this does not seem right. Art is about exploring creativity and human imagination not about being the best of the best of the best.

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It gives us a bad name.
People associate charity art with low quality art.


No this is just what you believe. That does not make it a truth. A belief and a truth is not the same thing.

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Autism doesn't make you bad at art or science or anything apart from social skills and organization skills.
In fact, many autistic people are actually BETTER at art/ maths compared to NT's.


Incorrect...its a human trait and is not determined by whether you have austim or not. Social issues yes, artistic talent no. Many NTs are very talented when it comes to Art and Design.

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What makes people think they can use it as an excuse?
How come the charity organizations like to pick horrible art to "show off"?
Why can't charities for autism pick better art from autistic people?



When you say horrible art what you really mean is 'Art I do not like and that does not match my tastes'. There is no 'right' art, or 'perfect' art or 'terrible art' there is just art and personal preference. Just becuase you dont appreciate, like or understand something, that does not make it wrong or bad!

What's professional art and what's not is not subjective.
Please.

There is right and wrong in art-- proportions, perspective and shading.
These disciplines are NOT subjective.

I'm a professional artist and getting into the professional world is NOT easy.

Moreover, this is a forum for autism issues, not art issues.



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09 May 2018, 2:17 am

I guess it could be said that Picasso was a failure, if the rules were all that mattered.



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09 May 2018, 4:28 am

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I guess it could be said that Picasso was a failure, if the rules were all that mattered.

So why don't you try to brand yourself as a professional artist, and start earning money this way, then?

By your logic, everyone can do that?