How Anti-Vaxxers Shame Autistic Kids.

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26 Jul 2019, 9:46 am

Link to: "I’m Not Your Anti-Vaxxer Scare Tactic"

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The fear-mongering argument that autism is worse than any disease dehumanizes autistic people. Whether anti-vaxxers mean to compare us to polio or mumps, it brings up the demonizing question:

Are autistic children worth it?
This is a really good anti-anti-vaxxer article in graphic format (e.g., a "Comic Strip"), and it is written by an autistic person. She answers the question and explains why, as well.



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26 Jul 2019, 2:42 pm

I like that comic strip. It's very good.

I find the anti vax argument fascinating. I wonder how they explain all of the people who were Autistic before the first vaccine was ever invented. And even as far as the MMR vaccine is concerned, I can't imagine how that vaccine might explain my Autism since I am actually older than the MMR vaccine. I am not saying that the insane number of vaccines and vaccine combinations that we give to kids now might not play a part, it could if one is predisposed to such a reaction, but I know for sure that there were plenty of Autistic people around before vaccines were ever invented. So I would love to hear how they explain that.


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26 Jul 2019, 3:16 pm

If there is a group of people I most hate, it is antivaxxers


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27 Jul 2019, 1:42 am

I hate anti-vaxxers with a passion.


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27 Jul 2019, 1:44 am

I dont hate anyone, and I believe that vaccines CAN cause autism in some cases :roll: but im also autistic, and im not ashamed of being autistic, in fact I would not have it any other way. I cant say that I would see it as a bad thing if a vaccine DID happen to give a child autism.. because i am in love with myself and being autistic! haha :heart:



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27 Jul 2019, 5:23 am

An excellent comic strip . The idea that some think death is better than being autistic is really disturbing.



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27 Jul 2019, 8:44 am

It is interesting to see how some subjects can generate intense emotional outrage and yet at the same time have such poorly defined terms and understanding.

1. Classic Autism was used to describe those (particularly children) whose severe brain damage or malformation resulted in early death. Such malformation would be verified by autopsy. To define Aspergers in the same category (spectrum) can legitimately be questioned. It is my view that Aspergers is a neurological variation and not the same as brain damage, or being "disordered".

2. While there is some benefit from vaccinations, there are legitimate concerns and risks. The polarized views that it is all good or all bad tends to shut the door on truth that could be useful for parents. Shouting either view more loudly is of no help either.

Some areas of concern I have as a parent after doing some research on risks is that I prefer not to have a child under 3 vaccinated. I also prefer single dose administration. One of the risks I see is the potential for a side effect of brain inflammation and swelling. This can (if severe enough) result in brain damage.

One has to remember that doctors are no longer professionals (free to make and follow a "profession" - declaration of ethical standard) They have become employees of corporations and are bound to follow the instructions of their employers. This means that each person and parent needs to do more research on their own than to rely solely on a corporate agent.



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27 Jul 2019, 9:00 am

^ Are you really disagreeing with the copious amounts of research showing absolutely no connection between autism and vaccines ?! !!



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27 Jul 2019, 9:37 am

I think that this video gives a good short resume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2WtUMvNjzQ



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27 Jul 2019, 11:43 am

firemonkey wrote:
Are you really disagreeing with the copious amounts of research showing absolutely no connection between autism and vaccines?!
If you like to "read between the lines" it might seem that way; but there are risks to any medical procedure, and vaccines are no exception.

HOWEVER, to state unequivocally that "vaccines cause autism" is simply wrong, wrong, WRONG!!


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27 Jul 2019, 11:52 am

firemonkey wrote:
An excellent comic strip . The idea that some think death is better than being autistic is really disturbing.


Maybe these people get that idea due to the high suicide rates in autism.


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27 Jul 2019, 11:54 am

I always try to spread the message (the way anti-vaxxers spread disease, hah) that people claiming vaccines cause autism and the negativity of it is very hurtful. But then they're like, "That's because you're only mildly autistic. What about severely autistic people? Are we abandoning them?"

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27 Jul 2019, 11:57 am

Just one more reason to pay absolutly no attention to anti-vaxxers and other zealots.



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27 Jul 2019, 12:34 pm

timf wrote:

2. While there is some benefit from vaccinations, there are legitimate concerns and risks. The polarized views that it is all good or all bad tends to shut the door on truth that could be useful for parents. Shouting either view more loudly is of no help either.

Some areas of concern I have as a parent after doing some research on risks is that I prefer not to have a child under 3 vaccinated. I also prefer single dose administration. One of the risks I see is the potential for a side effect of brain inflammation and swelling. This can (if severe enough) result in brain damage.

One has to remember that doctors are no longer professionals (free to make and follow a "profession" - declaration of ethical standard) They have become employees of corporations and are bound to follow the instructions of their employers. This means that each person and parent needs to do more research on their own than to rely solely on a corporate agent.
I agree with this. For example, if I were a parent, I would choose to either have my child vaccinated with the MMR vaccine after the age of three or opt to have them administered like I had them, not as MMR but as M, M, and R, in three separate vaccines that are appropriately spaced.


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27 Jul 2019, 12:39 pm

skibum wrote:
timf wrote:

2. While there is some benefit from vaccinations, there are legitimate concerns and risks. The polarized views that it is all good or all bad tends to shut the door on truth that could be useful for parents. Shouting either view more loudly is of no help either.

Some areas of concern I have as a parent after doing some research on risks is that I prefer not to have a child under 3 vaccinated. I also prefer single dose administration. One of the risks I see is the potential for a side effect of brain inflammation and swelling. This can (if severe enough) result in brain damage.

One has to remember that doctors are no longer professionals (free to make and follow a "profession" - declaration of ethical standard) They have become employees of corporations and are bound to follow the instructions of their employers. This means that each person and parent needs to do more research on their own than to rely solely on a corporate agent.
I agree with this. For example, if I were a parent, I would choose to either have my child vaccinated with the MMR vaccine after the age of three or opt to have them administered like I had them, not as MMR but as M, M, and R, in three separate vaccines that are appropriately spaced.


They are safe at the planned time, so it's better to be protected sooner than later.
Delaying has no benefit unless you have a compromised immune system.


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27 Jul 2019, 12:41 pm

firemonkey wrote:
^ Are you really disagreeing with the copious amounts of research showing absolutely no connection between autism and vaccines ?! ! !

I would never say that it is impossible for certain vaccines to affect some people neurologically in this way. But I also do not go around saying that vaccines are the cause of Autism. Because Autism can be caused by so many different things, I think that it could be possible that some people who are so predisposed could possibly have such a reaction to a combination of vaccines. There is very little testing on combining vaccines. Most of the testing is done on singe vaccines. And vaccines can also be tainted causing neurological affects. A few years ago I had a very severe reaction to a tainted batch of flu shots. That year, there were two tainted batches that were accidentally released and many people in my area got very sick. But I think it is very wrong to say that people should not vaccinate because of of a fear of Autism because Autism has been around for a lot longer than vaccines have.


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