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07 Mar 2015, 2:11 am

Thinking a certain thought or feeling a feeling, then unconsciously starting to sing a song in which the words of the thoughts appear.

For example, noticing the sun is coming out, and spontaneously starting to sing "Here Comes the Sun" by the Beatles.



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07 Mar 2015, 2:26 am

It doesn't seem like echolalia.
Echolalia is repeating some words out loud.
For me, the words are never in my head as thoughts, they just come out of my mouth involuntarily, usually only one or two words in two or three syllables, often repeating something I just heard, such as what someone on tv just said or what someone just said to you.
It is a simple repetitive mindless behavior without thinking involved.
What you describe seems like an association between your thoughts and a song, then you start unconsciously singing the song out loud.
I am trying to recall situations in which I repeated out loud involuntarily something that I was just thinking in my head and figure out if any of them also feel inside my head like conventional echolalia, but I can't think of them right now.
I think it could be echolalic if you think a sentence in your head, then repeat out loud the last few words several times without knowing it until you've already repeated.
I think it is not echolalia if you think something, then sing or say something related to that or but not a copy of that.
Copying, repeating, and involuntary are the hallmarks of echolalia.


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07 Mar 2015, 10:47 am

I wasn't saying my thoughts out loud. Wait, that's not always true; sometimes I say one of words out loud. Like last night, I was thinking about paranoid people and I said "paranoid" out loud a couple of times.

But usually, I was thinking one thing, and then singing something related to that thought, without planning to sing, or being conscious of the fact that the song lyrics or song title had the same word as one of the words in my thought. It was a spontaneous, immediate, unconscious association.

I don't think the thinking part is echolalia; I was wondering if the singing part is echolalia because I read about the autistic kids who associated something their parents said during a certain situation, and then spontaneously repeated those words when a similar situation arose.

Like this, but with looser association, and more often triggered by my own thoughts rather than something I see:

"The child sees the Indiana University logo in a store window and begins to sing the Indiana fight song in Japanese. He has learned the song in Japanese from a commercial which aired during televised university basketball games."

http://www.iidc.indiana.edu/?pageId=534



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07 Mar 2015, 3:35 pm

I don't think so, but my brain does a similar thing sometimes when I think of the word for part of a thought (I have to actually think of a word, though, it doesn't happen just from thinking thoughts -- that's a different type of association between song and situation and has nothing to do with words). I don't unconsciously start singing, though, I just hear the song in my head and can choose to consciously sing it or not if I want to.

I just think it's associative thought processes.


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07 Mar 2015, 3:44 pm

Is it echolalia if, when people greet you in passing, you, without thinking, say the same thing in the same manner/accent they said it?


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07 Mar 2015, 4:33 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Copying, repeating, and involuntary are the hallmarks of echolalia.


I'm curious, what about if it starts involuntary, but then there is the option of stopping and a choice not to?

For example. Someone is talking about a dog being fluffy. I automatically say fluffy, fluffy, and then I've processed what I'm doing, but it feels right, so while I could stop myself it'd take a lot of effort and it would make me feel wrong inside, so I keep saying fluffy, and then start playing with the word, and start saying things like fluffly floofly.


For me, echolalia almost entirely occurs in two syllables at a time. (Whether its like what I described up there, or not)


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07 Mar 2015, 5:33 pm

justkillingtime wrote:
Is it echolalia if, when people greet you in passing, you, without thinking, say the same thing in the same manner/accent they said it?


That definitely seems like echolalia to me.



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08 Oct 2016, 5:10 am

Hi I'm new to this site.

I was googling to see if there are more people with autism or Asperger that have something similar to echolalia but not voiced out.
From time to time I have sentences that keep repeating in my head over and over again.

(something like delayed echolalia but only in my head)

These are sentences that are part of conversations (also from years ago), things I have said or things that others have said. Also parts from different conversations that I keep repeating in my head, one after the other, in random order.

Maybe its a way to practice conversations.


These sentences distract me from keeping concentrated when I study something, sometimes, (that's why I first thought hat I have ADD)

My psychiatrist told me that it's delayed echolalia.

I wonder how common this sort of echolalia is with people ho have Asperger?

I read that a lot off people with autism have echolalia or delayed echolalia where they actually speak the words (whits I never did i think). But I cant find anything about the echolalia like I have.

What do you think?



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08 Oct 2016, 5:23 am

Q) Is This Echolalia?

A) Is This Echolalia?


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08 Oct 2016, 5:39 am

Jute wrote:
Q) Is This Echolalia?

A) Is This Echolalia?


lay-lee-ah lay-lee-ah lay-lee-ah

I haven't been diagnosed with ASD or Echolalia but if I have Echolalia it feels like the most normal thing in the world to me.


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08 Oct 2016, 2:39 pm

I don't know if it is echolalia or not, personally. However, I do the same thing all the time. I will sing songs when I do certain tasks and it is always the same songs for the same tasks. I also have certain songs I sing when I hear certain noises or see things.


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09 Oct 2016, 12:04 am

This reminds me a little of how my mind fires on connections between various 'mediums' interacting, I do repeat a lot of content that blasts through my mind and spit out various pieces of dialogue/sentences/exchanges but I identify with what you are describing, a lot of content pouring between things, I also am a big beatles fan and have thought lines and melodies from that song when the sun is dazzling but I'm sure many non-autistics have such a connection run through their brain or any kind of sunshine related snippet.



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09 Oct 2016, 7:00 am

I don't know to say whether I have echolalia or not but I remember in school my old graphic arts teacher used to tell me all the time that just because someone popped into my head didn't mean it needed to come out of my mouth. This was before I was diagnosed so while she often used to tell me that it was probably nothing more then a nuisance if anything else at all.



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05 Feb 2019, 4:43 pm

I think is just "joy". :)