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27 Feb 2019, 1:57 am

clicky-In Silence and in Sound: Autistics Do Not Benefit From Presumptions of Deficit



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27 Feb 2019, 2:10 am

How to make a child nonverbal - a recipe:

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Woods goes on to describe concrete examples, like a child she calls Piotr (all names in her study are changed) who expressed 39 verbal and non-verbal signs of aversion to an activity the teaching assistant was trying to engage four-year-old Piotr in. Piotr said no, said he wanted to go outside, tried to hold the book closed, slipped to the floor, and more—all clear indicators of not wanting to do the reading assignment. Yet the school said Piotr was “non-verbal” and one result of that (inaccurate) label was Piotr’s voice going ignored. At one point Wood observed Piotr using a choice card to directly request outside time, but instead of respecting and rewarding Piotr’s communication, the teaching assistant removed Piotr from the choice card area, trying to re-focus him on a different task.


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27 Feb 2019, 2:21 am

^^^ are there any nations whose autistic treatment protocols and practices are not clumsy, wrongheaded and brutal?



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27 Feb 2019, 2:38 am

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clicky-In Silence and in Sound: Autistics Do Not Benefit From Presumptions of Deficit


Excellent website. I have repost a number of thier posts.


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27 Feb 2019, 2:56 am

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auntblabby wrote:
clicky-In Silence and in Sound: Autistics Do Not Benefit From Presumptions of Deficit


Excellent website. I have repost a number of thier posts.

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27 Feb 2019, 3:17 am

I don't know but learning this I'm glad my Aspie daughter was refused diagnosis.
"Oh no, she is not on the spectrum, she is just her own ways" :)
Like being neurodiverse was anything else than being "one's own ways", lol.
But this way instead of this kind of early intervention she had her lovely lower kintergarten teacher who said: "Oh, yes, she hardly talks but she points at things and shows what she wants so we can understand each other very well"
And her upper kintergarten psychologist who said: "I think she would benefit from our city-funded psychomotoric programme (she did). Autism spectrum? No, she's just unique!"
And her school where nobody minds her wearing noise-cancelling earmuffs.


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27 Feb 2019, 3:35 am

wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.



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27 Feb 2019, 5:53 am

auntblabby wrote:
wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.
My girlfriend does but she's also on the spectrum. I never plugged my ears but when I was a kid loud noises would trigger meltdowns. I gradually learned to get used to/tolerate them thou. My dad works in construction & does work at home sometimes as well as lots of projects around the house. He had me help him sometimes & I worked with him one summer while I was in high-skewl. My 1st job was a dishwasher & the washer made a lot of noise. My 2nd job involved floor-cleaning & I worked around floor scrubbers & buffers which also made noise. I guess after forcing myself to deal with loud noises enough, I learned to kinda tune things out thou they still bother me & I'd rather have more quiet.
BTW don't move where I live. We live too close to the airport(thou it's still a ways away) & it's used by the military. Those jets are pretty loud when they fly overhead & the military is trying to get those new jets here which sound 2wice as loud. Within walking distance will become too loud for residential homes. We're trying to move(for other reasons than that) & those new jets are still a ways away so we shouldn't have to deal with their noise.


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27 Feb 2019, 5:55 am

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wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.

I wear earplugs in public transport, sometimes at home when my family can't be quiet. Does it count?


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27 Feb 2019, 6:23 am

magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.

I wear earplugs in public transport, sometimes at home when my family can't be quiet. Does it count?

yup :wtg:



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27 Feb 2019, 6:35 am

nick007 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.
My girlfriend does but she's also on the spectrum. I never plugged my ears but when I was a kid loud noises would trigger meltdowns. I gradually learned to get used to/tolerate them thou. My dad works in construction & does work at home sometimes as well as lots of projects around the house. He had me help him sometimes & I worked with him one summer while I was in high-skewl. My 1st job was a dishwasher & the washer made a lot of noise. My 2nd job involved floor-cleaning & I worked around floor scrubbers & buffers which also made noise. I guess after forcing myself to deal with loud noises enough, I learned to kinda tune things out thou they still bother me & I'd rather have more quiet.
BTW don't move where I live. We live too close to the airport(thou it's still a ways away) & it's used by the military. Those jets are pretty loud when they fly overhead & the military is trying to get those new jets here which sound 2wice as loud. Within walking distance will become too loud for residential homes. We're trying to move(for other reasons than that) & those new jets are still a ways away so we shouldn't have to deal with their noise.

I can tell your ears are more tolerant than my own, I've long been sensitive to sounds.



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02 Mar 2019, 5:49 am

auntblabby wrote:
nick007 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.
My girlfriend does but she's also on the spectrum. I never plugged my ears but when I was a kid loud noises would trigger meltdowns. I gradually learned to get used to/tolerate them thou. My dad works in construction & does work at home sometimes as well as lots of projects around the house. He had me help him sometimes & I worked with him one summer while I was in high-skewl. My 1st job was a dishwasher & the washer made a lot of noise. My 2nd job involved floor-cleaning & I worked around floor scrubbers & buffers which also made noise. I guess after forcing myself to deal with loud noises enough, I learned to kinda tune things out thou they still bother me & I'd rather have more quiet.
BTW don't move where I live. We live too close to the airport(thou it's still a ways away) & it's used by the military. Those jets are pretty loud when they fly overhead & the military is trying to get those new jets here which sound 2wice as loud. Within walking distance will become too loud for residential homes. We're trying to move(for other reasons than that) & those new jets are still a ways away so we shouldn't have to deal with their noise.

I can tell your ears are more tolerant than my own, I've long been sensitive to sounds.


I carry noise cancelling earmuffs with me at all times and use them regularly, on public transport, in restaurants, stores, etc. I have a very low tolerance for noise, even quiet noise that’s repetitive and irritating.


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02 Mar 2019, 6:00 am

StarTrekker wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
nick007 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.
My girlfriend does but she's also on the spectrum. I never plugged my ears but when I was a kid loud noises would trigger meltdowns. I gradually learned to get used to/tolerate them thou. My dad works in construction & does work at home sometimes as well as lots of projects around the house. He had me help him sometimes & I worked with him one summer while I was in high-skewl. My 1st job was a dishwasher & the washer made a lot of noise. My 2nd job involved floor-cleaning & I worked around floor scrubbers & buffers which also made noise. I guess after forcing myself to deal with loud noises enough, I learned to kinda tune things out thou they still bother me & I'd rather have more quiet.
BTW don't move where I live. We live too close to the airport(thou it's still a ways away) & it's used by the military. Those jets are pretty loud when they fly overhead & the military is trying to get those new jets here which sound 2wice as loud. Within walking distance will become too loud for residential homes. We're trying to move(for other reasons than that) & those new jets are still a ways away so we shouldn't have to deal with their noise.

I can tell your ears are more tolerant than my own, I've long been sensitive to sounds.


I carry noise cancelling earmuffs with me at all times and use them regularly, on public transport, in restaurants, stores, etc. I have a very low tolerance for noise, even quiet noise that’s repetitive and irritating.

i used to ride in a rather noisy car with my older sister when we went up to seattle to visit my dad in hospice, and the noise-cancelling headphones made it a much more relaxed experience. otherwise, after an hour of 80+ decibels roar, i'd be exhausted just going up there, much less riding back.



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02 Mar 2019, 6:09 am

auntblabby wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
nick007 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.
My girlfriend does but she's also on the spectrum. I never plugged my ears but when I was a kid loud noises would trigger meltdowns. I gradually learned to get used to/tolerate them thou. My dad works in construction & does work at home sometimes as well as lots of projects around the house. He had me help him sometimes & I worked with him one summer while I was in high-skewl. My 1st job was a dishwasher & the washer made a lot of noise. My 2nd job involved floor-cleaning & I worked around floor scrubbers & buffers which also made noise. I guess after forcing myself to deal with loud noises enough, I learned to kinda tune things out thou they still bother me & I'd rather have more quiet.
BTW don't move where I live. We live too close to the airport(thou it's still a ways away) & it's used by the military. Those jets are pretty loud when they fly overhead & the military is trying to get those new jets here which sound 2wice as loud. Within walking distance will become too loud for residential homes. We're trying to move(for other reasons than that) & those new jets are still a ways away so we shouldn't have to deal with their noise.

I can tell your ears are more tolerant than my own, I've long been sensitive to sounds.


I carry noise cancelling earmuffs with me at all times and use them regularly, on public transport, in restaurants, stores, etc. I have a very low tolerance for noise, even quiet noise that’s repetitive and irritating.

i used to ride in a rather noisy car with my older sister when we went up to seattle to visit my dad in hospice, and the noise-cancelling headphones made it a much more relaxed experience. otherwise, after an hour of 80+ decibels roar, i'd be exhausted just going up there, much less riding back.

This is exactly what my friend told me when I started wearing earplugs in noisy environments: that I'm much more relaxed.


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03 Mar 2019, 7:47 pm

^^^glad to hear you found something that works for you. :idea:



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03 Mar 2019, 9:27 pm

magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
wish i could find other people out and about who also plug their ears when exposed to unpleasant sounds such as crosscut saws and air brakes, et al.

I wear earplugs in public transport, sometimes at home when my family can't be quiet. Does it count?


I'm like you, but I wear earplugs in public, period. Also like you, I wear them at home when my family is loud.