How much is or isn't this applicable to autism?

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11 Mar 2019, 6:44 am

Much higher VIQ than PIQ
Poor spatial awareness
Poor sense of direction
Poor hand-eye coordination
Clumsy



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11 Mar 2019, 6:49 am

I thought those were typical symptoms of dyspraxia.


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11 Mar 2019, 6:53 am

I have all that, but I also have dyspraxia. When dyspraxia is mixed with autism it can get difficult to tell what's causing what. Or if the dyspraxia is exacerbating the autism or vice versa.



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11 Mar 2019, 6:58 am

It’s not rare for autism and all sorts of dyspraxia to coexist.

Autism is a neurological disorder.



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11 Mar 2019, 6:59 am

Hi Firemonkey. When do you get the results of your assessment?



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11 Mar 2019, 7:06 am

Joe90 wrote:
I thought those were typical symptoms of dyspraxia.


Yes they are , but I was wondering whether they are also applicable to ASD.



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11 Mar 2019, 7:14 am

Magna wrote:
Hi Firemonkey. When do you get the results of your assessment?



I have my 3rd assessment on Wednesday. Whether I get the result then , or have to wait for it, I don't know. Dyspraxia was mentioned by the assessor when questioning me which could only have come from the referral send by my pdoc.



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11 Mar 2019, 7:16 am

EzraS wrote:
I have all that, but I also have dyspraxia. When dyspraxia is mixed with autism it can get difficult to tell what's causing what. Or if the dyspraxia is exacerbating the autism or vice versa.



Does that increase the possibility of a false negative when being assessed for ASD?



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11 Mar 2019, 7:28 am

firemonkey wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I have all that, but I also have dyspraxia. When dyspraxia is mixed with autism it can get difficult to tell what's causing what. Or if the dyspraxia is exacerbating the autism or vice versa.



Does that increase the possibility of a false negative when being assessed for ASD?


I'd say it's more likely it would be picked up on as a comorbid. Overall they know my autism from my dyspraxia. Some areas get muddled like my speech problems being autism + dyspraxia + selective mutism.

But when it comes to things like being withdrawn, not liking to be touched, not looking at people when they talk to me, fixed interests, stimming etc, that's all autism.

As for your question, I would say it probably depends on the severity of autism. Someone with severe autism is going to have problems with all that. Of all those I've known with level 1 autism, some do and some don't.



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11 Mar 2019, 8:37 am

Within the autism spectrum, it simply can be.
And none of those traits matches me at all -- I just happened to be in a different realm (as opposed to 'scales of functioning or severity') of the autism spectrum.
Different realm as in PIQ>VIQ, no motor issues, above average visual-spatial abilities, opposite of NVLD profiles.

I can only tell which is which without any form of learning disabilities or having said weakness growing up muddling it. In my case, such weaknesses can happen out of autism's 'reactions'.

Poor spatial awareness, and poor hand and eye coordination can be overlapped with autism's stimuli intake -- sensitivity-overwhelm/hyposensitivity-inattention that usually causes poor multitasking, processing speed, and/or organization. Poor sense of direction may apply as well, especially with different factors.
Clumsiness can come from different sources other than poor PIQ, even with better PIQ or nonverbal strengths. Lack of activity is one, and the causes of said lack of activity (no one to play with, anxiety over risk, preferences, etc...). It can also happen without the lack of activity and due to subtle and yet constant factors like stress or mind fog.
Either those traits are strong enough to be qualified a comorbid, or the comorbid exists and worsens the overlapping traits -- to know which is which, I do not know.


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11 Mar 2019, 9:44 am

This thread demonstrates why you need to have a highly qualified person or clinic do the autism evaluation (and it sounds like you do, firemonkey). Symptoms of autism and symptoms of co-morbids get very complex. Although the battery of tests, interviews and behavioral assessment for autism is not perfect, it has been carefully developed by people with experience in assessment tools.


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11 Mar 2019, 10:58 am

BeaArthur beat me to it, but the symptoms you list sound like dyspraxia, which is often comorbid with Autism. It can be difficult to unravel which symptoms are caused by which condition, or if they are a product of both conditions.



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11 Mar 2019, 11:14 am

DanielW wrote:
BeaArthur beat me to it, but the symptoms you list sound like dyspraxia, which is often comorbid with Autism. It can be difficult to unravel which symptoms are caused by which condition, or if they are a product of both conditions.




I would agree with that, but things said by my sister-


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Tim was always very shy and quiet, and did not typically join in play with our other brother and me - I think partly because he did not seem to be able to engage in imaginary play, and found it difficult to truly ‘play’ as we did.



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Interestingly Tim could be quite obsessive over certain things- like collecting baseball/ football cards even though he had no interest in playing the sport.


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When he was home from boarding school Tim again preferred to spend much of his time alone.



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By that I mean he had no real understanding or true empathy around the impact he was having on those around him,



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Meanwhile his slightly obsessive side is now fulfilled with his laptop. He spends a huge amount of time researching and on mental health forums.



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I also think that Tim had a difficult time in ‘reading’ the emotions or feelings or reactions other people outside of the immediate family.



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11 Mar 2019, 11:20 am

Obviously, I can't diagnose you over the Internet.

But you seem Aspergian to me.

Dyspraxia (the gross-motor type) is associated with Asperger's (perhaps a little more than it's associated with "classic" autism).

A relatively high Verbal score, and a relatively low Performance score, is associated with both Non-Verbal Learning Disability and Asperger's/High-functioning autism.

I've read that there is an 80% correlation between NVLD and Asperger's Syndrome. Under the ICD-10, Asperger's still exists as a diagnosis.



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11 Mar 2019, 11:24 am

Have the assessors said that you have probably been misdiagnosed and will correct it. How many incorrect diagnosis might you lose.


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11 Mar 2019, 11:30 am

There's been no mention of having been misdiagnosed. If my pdoc is right the best fit is ASD + schizophrenia.