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07 Jun 2019, 5:03 am

Someone posted this on another forum https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007 ... 015-2514-6 . It's primarily about repetitive and restricted behaviours in adults .

It does however have a table that gives the performance and verbal IQs for both those who are NT and those who are not. In both cases the two are very close together.

However I'd heard that those on the spectrum are prone to having spiky profiles. Mine is VIQ much > than PIQ.
As someone said on a subreddit about me -

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Is the spiky profile and ASD connection false? Perhaps it can be explained by many having a spiky profile , but the number with VIQ much > PIQ being evenly matched with those that are the opposite .



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07 Jun 2019, 7:03 am

Spiky profiles are common enough that they can be associated with specific learning difficulties & behavioral conditions.

A verbal IQ 20 points or greater than performance IQ is associated with Non-Verbal Learning Difficulty. Low performance IQs are often observed in Hyperactive children. Associated is the key word, since simply having the gap between the two isn't enough to confirm a learning disorder. These splits occur throughout the IQ spectrum so they can range from disability to mere discrepancy.

This site aims to help (at least for children) close the gap where performance IQ is weaker.
https://www.edubloxtutor.com/increase-performance-iq/

No doubt my performance IQ is weaker than verbal. I wonder if adults can improve this...



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07 Jun 2019, 7:11 am

I agree there would be a difference between a split that is 160-120 and a split that is 140-65 . I've heard some claim though that the former still points to a disability.



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07 Jun 2019, 7:56 am

From what I've (briefly) read, typically the profiles are within about 5 points of each other. There seems to be an assumption that, like building muscles, they can be trained (at least early on) to more or less even out. If there are large chasms between profiles, but nothing dipping below the median, the relative deficit seems to be ignored since the worst-performing area is still "good enough".

Even when one area does dip below the median, it may not be diagnosable since it's only one criterion.

That's how it appears to me anyway. If I've got it wrong, hopefully someone can bring out the proverbial red pen. :)



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07 Jun 2019, 8:18 am

I think the PIQ >VIQ/ VIQ >PIQ gap is a definite pointer to there being a learning difficulty . These things are far more likely to be spotted than when I was at school from 1961-1975 .

I would think a PIQ deficit would have a definite negative impact on adaptive functioning.



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07 Jun 2019, 8:41 am

The "classic" Aspergian profile is VIQ > PIQ.

The "classic Kanner's Autism" profile is PIQ > VIQ.


I'm not an Aspergian because of a speech delay. But my profile is VIQ > PIQ, with some improvement in PIQ over the years, though still less than VIQ.



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07 Jun 2019, 11:04 am

... I'm an Aspergian PIQ > VIQ.

Opposite of NVLD profile, yet verbal enough to pass off as an aspie and qualified to have Aspergers diagnosis.

More like the profiles gives access of work arounds, neither will save another from executive dysfunction, or the poor ability to apply from theory to practical.
Good PIQ is just a much better accessibility compensator if the person is physically capable of performing and applying it, and has at least a better impulse control level to begin with.



In my case... It could've been blind luck that I could read straight and not end up with a label of language learning disability, if it weren't for the special interest related to symbols, language and writing for most of my elementary years.


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