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06 Jun 2019, 6:24 pm

Brave new world (for those who have read the book or seen the film)
i was wondering what people's opinions were on Huxley's satirical vision of the future?
And what do you think is good, and what is bad about this world that he envisioned?

I found it quiet an interesting film ( i didn't read the book) what i can remember of it.
I quiet liked the 60's sets etc. but that's just me.

I wonder how close Huxley's satirical vision will be to our future.
Some aspects were very funny. but i wonder...

Although if Huxley's vision is prophecy, i am afraid most of us Aspies will end up getting extradited to an island for outcasts. If anything, I think Huxley underestimated how demented, sadistic and sociopathic we are as a species.
But perhaps that comment is just me, speaking from my own experiences.

any one like to debate?



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06 Jun 2019, 6:40 pm

What is wrong with Brave New World?

 This. 


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07 Jun 2019, 5:52 pm

Sure. although to be honest i have quiet fond memories of watching the 70s film version.
All i can remember is loads of pretty people on happy drugs including lots of tasty young woman dressed in tight
and revealing shiny clothing having lots of partying and then sex with random people.

Where the babies get born in a lab, and brought up and parented collectively.
To me it all just reminds me of the Rave generation.. lol but a lot better.
a lot less bitchiness and ego.

Although have to admit, it was a long time ago i watched the film. perhaps i watched it in the mid 90s
which would explain everything... lol

It is possible that my memories of several movies from the era have mixed together.
Now that would be more interesting.
Brave New World meets Buck Rogers Meets Logan's Run Meets Solvent Green (last time i eat quorn..)



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07 Jun 2019, 6:32 pm

Did you read the final paragraphs of the plot synopsis? "Brave New World" is not all about Soma and sex.


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07 Jun 2019, 7:18 pm

i somehow missed watching the '98 telefilm starring leonard nimoy as mustapha mond. i wonder what i missed. i did see, back in '78, the NBC telefilm [first one] at the same time we were studying the book in high school. i believe i was not then mature enough to see much beneath the surface commentary.



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07 Jun 2019, 7:34 pm

I never saw the movie, but the book scared the s**t out of me.

And it's even scarier these days to see how well Huxley got some of that stuff.

Read the book - it's really short - you might reconsider your opinion.


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07 Jun 2019, 7:53 pm

i think the fellow who said the future of humanity was "a boot stomping on a human face, forever" was closer to the truth.



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08 Jun 2019, 6:50 am

BenderRodriguez wrote:
I never saw the movie, but the book scared the s**t out of me.

And it's even scarier these days to see how well Huxley got some of that stuff.

Read the book - it's really short - you might reconsider your opinion.


Yeah, it is good to be a gamma.

Sinclair Lewis's "It can't happen here" is also an eye opener, from the same period. The depression and the rise of fascism produced many good books.


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09 Jun 2019, 4:19 am

It glorifies eugenics, the very thing that I'm against.


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09 Jun 2019, 5:27 am

madbutnotmad wrote:
What's So Wrong With Brave New World
Nothing. It's one of my favourite works of dystopian fiction.

madbutnotmad wrote:
Although if Huxley's vision is prophecy, i am afraid most of us Aspies will end up getting extradited to an island for outcasts.
You mean you get to live on an island full of eccentric misfits like yourself? Remember the the World Controller will offer you a choice of either a warm and tropical island or a cold and windswept island.

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It glorifies eugenics, the very thing that I'm against.
No it shows the horrors of eugenics. Dystopian fiction serves as a warning, not an endorsement.


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09 Jun 2019, 6:45 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
It glorifies eugenics, the very thing that I'm against.
No it shows the horrors of eugenics. Dystopian fiction serves as a warning, not an endorsement.

Exactly!

RetroGamer87 wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
What's So Wrong With Brave New World
Nothing. It's one of my favourite works of dystopian fiction


Yeah, mine too, but I think he was asking what was wrong with the world Huxley creates.


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09 Jun 2019, 7:17 am

given a choice between that world, and east asia/eurasia/oceania, i'd prefer huxley's vision, as limiting as it is.



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10 Jun 2019, 11:12 am

It’s nice to see this discussion. My favorite sociology professor made us read it in college. It was the second or third time I had read it at that point. He said that it was an important book to read and reread during ones life, because your opinion of it, and the world around you, changes with time.

He said you should always ask yourself, is the Brave New World here already? Am I living in it? And what do I think about that idea?

He said when the book first came out, people thought it was laughable that anyone would come to love their own chains.



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10 Jun 2019, 11:22 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
It’s nice to see this discussion. My favorite sociology professor made us read it in college. It was the second or third time I had read it at that point. He said that it was an important book to read and reread during ones life, because your opinion of it, and the world around you, changes with time.

He said you should always ask yourself, is the Brave New World here already? Am I living in it? And what do I think about that idea?

He said when the book first came out, people thought it was laughable that anyone would come to love their own chains.

It's what made it even scarier for me than Orwell's 1984!


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10 Jun 2019, 7:05 pm

IMHO nothing can be scarier than the vision of the prescient man who said, "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."