Get treated the same as people with DS?

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30 Jun 2019, 2:25 pm

Do people with autism/aspergers get treated the same as those who suffer from down syndrome?

From what i understand autism also effects facial features



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30 Jun 2019, 3:54 pm

Autism doesn’t impact a person’s facial features. We’re able to blend into our environment much easier than someone with DS can. It’s not usually that obvious that someone has autism unless they are stimming in a very obvious way.

Most people with DS are intellectually disabled, so it’s quite different. I grew up with people who had DS. They were very social even though they had significant intellectual impairments.

They were my friends, but they got picked on a lot, most often with the “r” word (one of my least favorite words). I was close to them when I was growing up. They had a very positive impact on our community.

Anyway, it’s hard to be different in any way. It’s probably not productive to say who had it worse as far as bullying goes because we’ve all had such varying experiences.


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30 Jun 2019, 4:10 pm

There are things those with down syndrome have to put up with from others I feel intensely glad I don't experience. Like an entire country celebrating their eradication, or being regularly being talked down to by people who may even be the same age.

For me personally, I have trouble getting people to understand my challenges and get over estimated often leading to worse burnout.

But people with downs syndrome get treated as incapable of anything and have to fight to get their abilities taken seriously. Even adults with it get treated like children, but a girl I know with it who is the same age as me, has better abilities in most areas than me.


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30 Jun 2019, 4:18 pm

I know someone, with Asperger's Syndrome himself, who rejects and feels insulted by the diagnosis, because he thinks it's tantamount to Down Syndrome.



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30 Jun 2019, 4:27 pm

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I know someone, with Asperger's Syndrome himself, who rejects and feels insulted by the diagnosis, because he thinks it's tantamount to Down Syndrome.


Wow!

It sounds like he has a bad attitude about AS and DS.


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30 Jun 2019, 4:41 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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I know someone, with Asperger's Syndrome himself, who rejects and feels insulted by the diagnosis, because he thinks it's tantamount to Down Syndrome.


Wow!

It sounds like he has a bad attitude about AS and DS.

He has indeed. He's a nasty piece of work with bigoted and hateful opinions about all kinds of people. I never really liked him but had to put up with him for reasons outside of my control. The final straw for me was when he ran away from a date with a sweet, shy young woman and insulted her behind her back afterwards, joking that he had "ditched the "b*tch", or something like that. Terrible, terrible man.

Frankly, I prefer people with DS to most without it; they're much kinder, more friendly and empathetic.



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30 Jun 2019, 4:49 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
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I know someone, with Asperger's Syndrome himself, who rejects and feels insulted by the diagnosis, because he thinks it's tantamount to Down Syndrome.


Wow!

It sounds like he has a bad attitude about AS and DS.

He has indeed. He's a nasty piece of work with bigoted and hateful opinions about all kinds of people. I never really liked him but had to put up with him for reasons outside of my control. The final straw for me was when he ran away from a date with a sweet, shy young woman and insulted her behind her back afterwards, joking that he had "ditched the "b*tch", or something like that. Terrible, terrible man.

Frankly, I prefer people with DS to most without it; they're much kinder, more friendly and empathetic.


People with the worst opinions of people with DS (or any special needs) tend to not know that many people with the disability personally.

That seems to be how prejudice works all around.

Even if people can’t work, they can have a profound impact on their communities.


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30 Jun 2019, 4:51 pm

Autism doesn't have different facial features from the general population, otherwise it would be easier to diagnose autism just by looking at them.

I don't class downs syndrome as NT. People with DS have a range of difficulties throughout life like AS do, just with different core symptoms. Just because DS people are social doesn't make them NT. I'm Aspie and social.

But at least DS doesn't have such horrific stigma attached like autism does. :roll:


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30 Jun 2019, 4:54 pm

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Autism doesn't have different facial features from the general population, otherwise it would be easier to diagnose autism just by looking at them.

I don't class downs syndrome as NT. People with DS have a range of difficulties throughout life like AS do, just with different core symptoms. Just because DS people are social doesn't make them NT. I'm Aspie and social.

But at least DS doesn't have such horrific stigma attached like autism does. :roll:


What do you mean that DS doesn’t have “horrific stigma attached like autism does?”

In my experience, the stigma is much worse. People assume you are stupid just by looking at you and will talk down to you accordingly, never taking you seriously. I observed this myself when I’d be out in public with a friend who had DS.


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30 Jun 2019, 5:16 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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Autism doesn't have different facial features from the general population, otherwise it would be easier to diagnose autism just by looking at them.

I don't class downs syndrome as NT. People with DS have a range of difficulties throughout life like AS do, just with different core symptoms. Just because DS people are social doesn't make them NT. I'm Aspie and social.

But at least DS doesn't have such horrific stigma attached like autism does. :roll:


What do you mean that DS doesn’t have “horrific stigma attached like autism does?”

In my experience, the stigma is much worse. People assume you are stupid just by looking at you and will talk down to you accordingly, never taking you seriously. I observed this myself when I’d be out in public with a friend who had DS.


I meant all the "lack of empathy" and "angry, heartless" and "school shooters" BS that leaks out into the media.


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30 Jun 2019, 5:17 pm

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Autism doesn't have different facial features from the general population, otherwise it would be easier to diagnose autism just by looking at them.

I don't class downs syndrome as NT. People with DS have a range of difficulties throughout life like AS do, just with different core symptoms. Just because DS people are social doesn't make them NT. I'm Aspie and social.

But at least DS doesn't have such horrific stigma attached like autism does. :roll:


What do you mean that DS doesn’t have “horrific stigma attached like autism does?”

In my experience, the stigma is much worse. People assume you are stupid just by looking at you and will talk down to you accordingly, never taking you seriously. I observed this myself when I’d be out in public with a friend who had DS.


Agreed, the stigma with downs syndrome is extreme


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30 Jun 2019, 5:18 pm

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I meant all the "lack of empathy" and "angry, heartless" and "school shooters" BS that leaks out into the media.


Ah, I see.


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30 Jun 2019, 5:21 pm

Joe90 wrote:
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Autism doesn't have different facial features from the general population, otherwise it would be easier to diagnose autism just by looking at them.

I don't class downs syndrome as NT. People with DS have a range of difficulties throughout life like AS do, just with different core symptoms. Just because DS people are social doesn't make them NT. I'm Aspie and social.

But at least DS doesn't have such horrific stigma attached like autism does. :roll:


What do you mean that DS doesn’t have “horrific stigma attached like autism does?”

In my experience, the stigma is much worse. People assume you are stupid just by looking at you and will talk down to you accordingly, never taking you seriously. I observed this myself when I’d be out in public with a friend who had DS.


I meant all the "lack of empathy" and "angry, heartless" and "school shooters" BS that leaks out into the media.


I don’t think that most people view us in that light. At this point, many think of science nerds, like Sheldon Cooper.


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30 Jun 2019, 5:25 pm

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Twilightprincess wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Autism doesn't have different facial features from the general population, otherwise it would be easier to diagnose autism just by looking at them.

I don't class downs syndrome as NT. People with DS have a range of difficulties throughout life like AS do, just with different core symptoms. Just because DS people are social doesn't make them NT. I'm Aspie and social.

But at least DS doesn't have such horrific stigma attached like autism does. :roll:


What do you mean that DS doesn’t have “horrific stigma attached like autism does?”

In my experience, the stigma is much worse. People assume you are stupid just by looking at you and will talk down to you accordingly, never taking you seriously. I observed this myself when I’d be out in public with a friend who had DS.


I meant all the "lack of empathy" and "angry, heartless" and "school shooters" BS that leaks out into the media.


I don’t think that most people view us in that light. At this point, many think of science nerds, like Sheldon Cooper.


I've seen it, people who think that way totally exist


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30 Jun 2019, 6:03 pm

Not sure, I've only just been diagnosed and I don't pay a lot of attention to what's going on around me. I know that I gravitate to people with DS and any other persons with special abilities. They are my tribe.


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30 Jun 2019, 7:12 pm

Precious lil "people" have a right to be ignorant, ass holes , freedom of speech


It appears to me, that a disproportionate number of lil dips**ts treated me like I was intellectually challenged


But I am not telepathic

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Try not to take it personally but


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Besides if so many ass holes think I am intellectually challenged, then they won't hire me

But not many of them have a job to offer


Not to say that they otherwise would have hired my worthless corpse




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The flip side of that is that, almost everyone acts like they are much smarter than they are





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