*sigh* "I guess we're ALL autistic!"
It happened again.
The other day I posted here about someone who, hearing I'm on the spectrum, said "I have a relative who says autism is being over-diagnosed."
Yeah, so helpful and understanding.
Today, someone else asked me "Just what does 'autism' mean?"
I explained to them the bad neuro-wiring, the bad effect it has on natural "mechanisms" involved in socially connecting, overall communication, how it messes with sensory input and can lead to being easily fatigued...
The response was "Oh. Well, I guess we're all a little autistic".
I asked "So we're also all blind?"
The reply? "Yes."
These people who try to water everything down and...I don't know...smooth out human differences...
We're all blind? I'm sure blind people would appreciate someone being so understanding of their needs and circumstances.
I sort of clammed up when they said "Yes" because obviously this person just doesn't get it that there ARE disabilities and that they DO have impact, sometimes SERIOUS impact on someone's life.
Just like with the other day and the "over-diagnosed" comment, I'm not sure how to deal with people like this.
Again, any suggestions?
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Your Aspie score: 100 of 200 / Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits
What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".
"Autism might be overdiagnosed in infants. In adults it's underdiagnosed" - a scripted answer to the overdiagnose text.
The answer to your question about blindness is so absurd that I couldn't respond to it, too.
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Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
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I think the problem is somehow finding a way around the fact that NTs tend to speak indirectly. Everything has to have a hidden meaning. If I talk about what's hard in my life, they tend to think I'm saying my life is harder than theirs. I can never mean simply what I am saying. I would guess this is partly what they're hearing when you say you have autism. And since autism, in their minds, is going to be defined solely as a negative thing, they probably think you are trying to complain instead of trying to explain yourself. So they want to make you feel better, even though that's not what you're looking for. Maybe it would help to start by describing your difficulties (i.e. sensory issues) first, and explaining them as part of autism last? So many people think they know what ASD is, even though they don't, that opening with terms like "autistic" or "on the spectrum" can be counterproductive.
Of course, someone who thinks we're all a little blind is a moron.
Yes, I found it more productive to inform people on separate traits, like:
I have very undivided focus, one thing at a time.
Slow down, I'm getting overwhelmed, yes, I get overwhelmed very easily.
Bright light and noise bother me a lot, can we get somewhere quieter (turn off TV, etc.)?
I need to write it down and set an alarm or I'll forget it, really.
I feel really bad in crowded places.
Meeting new people makes me anxious.
Stop talking to me right now, I need to be alone! - the last one can be sort of agressive but it's a way to defend my ground.
It's true that most people do experience some of such issues to some degree. It's not us vs them, it's about getting what you need.
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NTs, unless they are really smart, have difficulty understanding autism.
Most disorders can be viewed as a collection of differences. If you spot enough differences you can extrapolate and assume that all the differences, or at least most of them, are present. Down's syndrome is like that.
But not autism. There is always someone here who will say that they have autism but not the difference (from NT) you just mentioned.
This is something I am struggling with. I don't know if I am autistic or an NT. I have traits... I have a few issues. But where I stand I just don't know.
I tried to explain what I mean by a partial shutdown to my cousins eldest who works in the same place as I am (I currently have a part time temporary job) and he says "I have shutdowns" but then goes onto describe something which is not a shutdown and no where near what I get, and when I try to describe it, he says "I know what you mean" when he does not have a clue. What he is describing is what I call mind blank... Yes. I get them if very nurvous, but they are not shutdowns as I can reverse my mind out of them or I can think of something else. Is not the same. (Well... Not the same or anywhere near what I call a shutdown. I am not so concerned about mindblank when nurvous other then I can't get the information I want accross to the person I am speaking to).
Shutdowns have a panicky feeling with them if I go into them deep as I lose my ability to see and hear. Ooh... I want to start a thread as I have triggered off some thoughts...
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I tried to explain what I mean by a partial shutdown to my cousins eldest who works in the same place as I am (I currently have a part time temporary job) and he says "I have shutdowns" but then goes onto describe something which is not a shutdown and no where near what I get, and when I try to describe it, he says "I know what you mean" when he does not have a clue. What he is describing is what I call mind blank... Yes. I get them if very nurvous, but they are not shutdowns as I can reverse my mind out of them or I can think of something else. Is not the same. (Well... Not the same or anywhere near what I call a shutdown. I am not so concerned about mindblank when nurvous other then I can't get the information I want accross to the person I am speaking to).
Shutdowns have a panicky feeling with them if I go into them deep as I lose my ability to see and hear. Ooh... I want to start a thread as I have triggered off some thoughts...
I've had similar interactions with people and it's so frustrating. I've talked about sensory overload with a friend who says he has the same problem. I suppose, technically, it is something of an overload that's he's going through, but for him an overload is more like two or three long days of work. For me, that's like 2-3 hours. He is also very social and clearly neurotypical, whereas when I say sensory overload I mean going into a grocery store and feeling the muscles in my body tighten from the light and noise--a concept which I think would be totally alien to him.
I feel like neurotypicals do not infer very easily. They know what senses are, and they know what overload means, yet they don't imagine an overload of sensory experience. They think it's a euphemism for being tired, or something. As if anyone would find it unusually notable to say they get tired.
The reply? "Yes."
Actually I agree with this! If you go by the eye chart, the 20/20 is not the perfect vision: the 20/10 is. So the vast majority of people have vision slightly imperfect. But then we can go a bit further and say that 20/10 is not a perfect vision either: they simply didn't bother including 20/5 since too few people would qualify for it. Now, having imperfect vision is a mild version of being blind. After all if your vision is worse than 20/200 then you are legally blind. So if you put "worse than 20/200" and "better than 20/10" on the same spectrum, then yes we are all blind.
And with autism it is the same concept. Back in the 60-s the people that are Asperger today would have been considered to be NT. And, conversely, if you take someone who is considered NT today, but is an introvert, maybe that person will be an aspie in one of the new manuals. Who knows. So yes its all relative.
A very good way of illustrating this point is AQ test ( https://psychology-tools.com/test/autis ... m-quotient ), where everyone has some AQ, just some people have higher than others
I have tried that test. I had a score of 41? (It may have been 43). I don't think that can be right or I would have been discovered a long time ago. I actually did it twice as I first took it a few years ago when I had an aspie GF and she said to take it, and I put "No" for quite a few questions I disn't understand the meanings to, and I ended up with being right on the boarderline... And then just before i joined this site I didn't realize I had been given the same link so I did it again, but this time I knew what some of the words meant. I realized at the end of the test that it was the same test as the score was out if 50.
Why I ask if it is a real indication rather then a guide is I scored much higher then I expected. I believe I should be closer to just inside the boarder of being on the spectrum with traits...
I have not done any more tests and don't want to do that test again as I don't want my mind to get used to tests before I am assessed. I want an accurate reading about me as I can get when I am assessed.
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I don't have a diagnosis and I don't consider myself ND at all, even though a lot of things are pointing that way. I can easily understand what you mean because it's the same thing when you try to explain to other parents how your autistic child is different. They just don't get it at all.
Typical conversations go like:
- He's very difficult to handle outdoors because he's unaware of dangers and comes across as totally deaf when you try to call on him.
- Yes, it's the same thing with my children, they just refuse to listen and scream no.
They can't comprehend the challenges at all because their idea of being shy, tired of people, anxious etc is not on the same level at all. I sometimes wonder how these people would be able to cope if they were given the same challenges. One thing I can give them is how extremely annoying it is with NT children and their conversations
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Din Aspie poäng: 102 av 200
Din neurotypiska (icke-autistiska) poäng: 108 av 200
Du verkar ha både Aspie och neurotypiska drag
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According to some theories, everyone has an autistic aspect to their personality, which may be anywhere from very weak to very strong, but even with the latter, it doesn't mean they are autistic. Using autistic as an adjective of autism, suggests otherwise, and is misleading; historically, "autistic" came first, and it is "autism" that is derived from it, and not the other way around!
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