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06 Oct 2019, 4:47 am

Why is it that throughout all my life I get the impression that whatever I do I have to put far more effort into the task to get the same results as other people do? And also, why do I sometimes need to learn things twice? A maths teacher once told my parents (My Mum only told me this when I mentioned it recently) "I don't get it. I can teach him and he knows the subject... and then a few weeks later it is as if he has not learnt it and I have to start teaching him all over again".

Yet, I am intelligent enough...

Physical things. Running... Trying to get speed out of my body... Throwing things... Trying to get them anywhere near the targets! Haha! I am not too bad but... Well... If we are playing darts, put something protective round the dartboard! Haha! Give me a chance!

But seriously, why do I have to practice and practice and practice something... And others don't.... And if they leave the subject and come back a year later, they just go straight back to do it. Yet with me... I need to learn it again...

It is not like that so much with my special interests as I am always thinking about them.


But an example of what I mean. If I wanted to go and do a GCSE maths exam. I would have to almost go back to primary school level in certain areas to learn it all over again. Yet, my last GCSE exam I did I had 100% in it. (It was a re-sit done after I left college).

It is a bit annoying as there is nothing wrong with my long term memory at all if I recall picture scenes. I remember being a few months old. The traditional old pram... It was navy blue... It was soo claustrophobic. All I could see was sky, and every time I tried to sit up my Mum put me back to lie down. All I wanted to do was to try to see outside! I know it was an early memory as my Mum said she had a pushchair for me from about 8 months old onwards when I could sit up.

Anyway....
The effort made to complete tasks. How is it that I feel it takes more out of me physically then it does for others to do the same thing? And is there some sort of way to overcome this? Some super vitamin? Some mineral? Something the opposite to kriptonite! Haha.


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06 Oct 2019, 7:42 am

I have the same difficulty and it is honestly the most frustrating thing. Many people can learn things once or twice and get it, I must slave away for hours to understand the same thing sometimes and there are just some "easy" things I will probably never wrap my head around for more than a couple seconds.

Unfortunately I have not found a magic pill as of yet but I realised learning like others doesn't not help me at all. I have to be creative. I realised I'm a visual learner and work better if I practise things in bite size pieces regularly. Connecting ridiculous images to facts, numbers to scenes and doing work in small intervals with regular breaks has helped a ton. Plus I find it hard to just sit around so I usually learn on the go, while I'm on transport for example, and store things in my phone. Plus I must regularly return to the same thing, perhaps every three days.

As for physical skills I cannot help you there as I'm hopeless in that area, being dyspraxic and all. Hope at least one things helps you here???



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06 Oct 2019, 7:50 am

Likewise

(Effort)(efficiency), ( outcome)

Bell curve

Theory of multiple intelligence

Some people are less efficient, at some activities, at some times , than other people



No solution offered.

Some people are good at a lot of things

Some people are not good at anything

Potential



And I am quickly becoming more inefficient


The older I get the more out of it I feel



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06 Oct 2019, 10:32 am

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I know it was an early memory as my Mum said she had a pushchair for me from about 8 months old onwards when I could sit up.

It is a bit annoying as there is nothing wrong with my long term memory at all if I recall picture scenes. I remember being a few months old. The traditional old pram... It was navy blue... It was soo claustrophobic. All I could see was sky, and every time I tried to sit up my Mum put me back to lie down. All I wanted to do was to try to see outside! I know it was an early memory as my Mum said she had a pushchair for me from about 8 months old onwards when I could sit up.


Our brains are wired differently.

Most NTs do not remember early memories. Childhood amnesia, also called infantile amnesia, is the inability of adults to retrieve episodic memories (memories of situations or events) before the age of two to four years, as well as the period before the age of ten of which adults retain fewer memories than might otherwise be expected given the passage of time. The development of a cognitive self is also thought by some to have an effect on encoding and storing early memories.

So the fact that you can remember events from 8 months old is unusual. My earliest memory that I can accurately date was at the age of 2 years 3 months old. I remember my parents leaving my sister and I in an orphanage.

I sometimes suspect that one of the reasons why Aspies are the way they are is because we were a little advanced at that age and experienced trauma as a result. We sensed unreal danger but were trapped and unable to do anything about it. Also our brains were not sufficiently developed to interpret our sense of danger properly. Our brains were put in a state of trauma and we were unable to break its bonds.


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06 Oct 2019, 4:30 pm

I can remember a few events earlier then that again. I was unusual, as I spoke three words as plainly as any adult would. My Mum said I was 2 to 3 months old. I thought it was 6 weeks old? (I then did not speak again until average age for speaking).
Now what is amazing about that is that I plainly remember doing it and what happened.
I was sitting there and I watched a TV advert. I won't say what the words are as I want to keep this private as only people in the family etc know them... It is nothing rude. Is just if I ever need to use them to prove who I am, I can if I keep them secret. Anyway... I saw the TV advert where three words were said, and I wanted to try to speak to see if I could say them. So I did. Why did I then keep quiet until normal speaking age? Because when I said these words, my Dad came running up and made such a fuss. I thought I had done something wrong, so I decided not to do it again... Well. Not for ages anyway!

I also remember a few other early events. One was being taken to the local train station bh my Mum and she allowed me to see the train come in. Now I do not remember the train name or number. Well. I couldn't read in those days! But, I clearly remember what it looked like. A Western Diesel. And this event had to be early in my life, as we went in the train brake van, so I would have been in my pram. And the Westerns stopped passing through here when I was of a very early age. I believe when I was about a year old? The remaining few went to work in the Cornwall area.

Now talking about early memories.... My youngest brother. (18 years younger then I am). He is very intelligent. The type of person who could pass exams without revision and get top marks. Now when he was around 18 years old or slightly older, we had a conversation about early memories. My brother then said "I remember when I was born".
Well, my Mum said "You can't possibly remember that!"
He then started to describe the room he was in. The unusual shade of green on the walls. The large clock... My Mum was shocked. She said it was the only time she has ever been in that room in her life. It was a room she was put in just after he was born, and he was 100% accurate in his description.


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07 Oct 2019, 8:36 am

Mountain Goat that probably explains your fascination with trains.

It may also explain why you manifest being an Aspie. At an early age you spoke, your dad made a fuss and you interpreted this as a form of trauma. So you ceased speaking for a couple more years. You mind was not developed sufficiently to understand he was "standing in awe and wonder" rather than generating "alarm bells". The event produced stress at a very early age. The stress was sufficient to move your body into a distress state that then brought out your Aspie traits. It is like we develop a little too quickly, too much for our own good. [anyways that are my thoughts on the subject - I am no shrink (psychologist)?]

You're brother may be one of those with the earliest memories, days within being born.


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07 Oct 2019, 1:08 pm

jimmy m wrote:
Mountain Goat that probably explains your fascination with trains.

It may also explain why you manifest being an Aspie. At an early age you spoke, your dad made a fuss and you interpreted this as a form of trauma. So you ceased speaking for a couple more years. You mind was not developed sufficiently to understand he was "standing in awe and wonder" rather than generating "alarm bells". The event produced stress at a very early age. The stress was sufficient to move your body into a distress state that then brought out your Aspie traits. It is like we develop a little too quickly, too much for our own good. [anyways that are my thoughts on the subject - I am no shrink (psychologist)?]

You're brother may be one of those with the earliest memories, days within being born.


My brother was in that room from an hour after he was born to a couple of hours after he was born. He was only in that room for a short period of time. It is why my Mum was so shocked when he described it.

You mention Aspie traits. Does this mean that I may not be on the spectrum, but could have some sort of psycological event where my mind reacted to give signs to similate autistic traits?

My Dad was a vocal character. He was not quiet. He also used to have a short fuse... Which came from when he was young as he used to have petit mal type fits after he had an accident where he broke his leg at a play park and was there for hours (He should have been in school or at home. No one knew he was there). The doctor told his parents to go easy with him, so his slightly older brother was told off if he was naughty, but my Dad was not. Hence my Dad did have issues when he became older due to a lack of discipline. He was a loving dad though. He did not change. He was who he was. He never put airs and graces on for anyone, and yet he was appreciated for this by those who met him from all walks of life. He had a great sense of humour too. Where I get some of mine from! My Dad did have an amazing ability to talk to strangers and get along as if they had always known each other. He was the opposite to someone on the spectrum. He wasn't a 100% extrovert (As he wasn't the life and soul of a party type of guy), but he wasn't an Introvert either. He was who he was! His brother was 14lbs when he was born, and his brother became a well respected boxer and aas unbeaten until he fought as Wales number 1 in a final (Televised) where the whole village came to watch on the two private TV's available in the whole village... And the other guy threw a punch at the start of rhe first round and caught him just in the right place, and that was that. From unbeaten to knocked out! When he returned home they called him "The Kanvas Kid".
My Dad was differe t. He was average height and thin. He was a fast runner and loved rugby. He was playing for the second team of what became known as Te Scarlets. He aws offered a position in the first team but he had gaulstones and when he recovered he was offered a job as a council carpenter so he took that instead. In those days rugby didn't pay much. If he had accepted he would have played with people like Phil Bennet. My Dad was usually put on the outer wing as he was a very fast runner. They called him "Shovels" as he had big hands (As do I and my brothers.. Which doesn't make finding gloves easy!). My Dad was given that name for his ability to run at the ball and scoop it off the floor while hardly slowing down...


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07 Oct 2019, 1:37 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
You mention Aspie traits. Does this mean that I may not be on the spectrum, but could have some sort of psycological event where my mind reacted to give signs to similate autistic traits?


I think what I am trying to say is that an individual with a genetic makeup towards being an Aspie/Autistic may evolve and blend into society quite well or due to an early trauma event during the first few years of life develop full blown Aspie/Autistic traits.

It explains why siblings may have different outcomes. Part of the reason why you and your brother are different is because of your earliest childhood experiences.


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07 Oct 2019, 2:01 pm

I am 18 years older then that brother, but the other brother I am just three years older. It was funny. When my youngest brother was growing up, some people assumed that I was his Dad.


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07 Oct 2019, 2:11 pm

firemonkey wrote:
https://www.livescience.com/63109-first-memory-fictional.html



Well. The link you gave is certainly not the way my family are, as we could prove our memories were true and not made up. There were certain details we saw that were not possible had we not seen and remembered them for ourselves. My youngest brothers account was most shocking. My mother have never ever mentioned the room that he described to anyone before. She had no reason to. Yet he came out and described the exact room in the finest detail. More detail then my Mum could recall. And the only time either of them had been in this room, and none of the rest of the family saw the room, as my Mum booked herself out of the hospital the day after. She convinced the nurse that she could inject her own stomache.(She could because she often used to have to inject the goats so she was used to it).
The staff had been a bit hostile to my Mum as the first night she was soring loudly and no one on the ward had any sleep! My Mum didn't know it was this. All she had were bad looks, hence she was determined to leave early. She only found this out as she complained because she knew they seemed to be against her but she didn't know why... And it came out when someone looked into the complaint.


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