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Amity
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11 Oct 2019, 3:39 am

I found this article
This Is How To Rewire Your Brain For Happiness: 4 Secrets From Research

And this detailed summary of the chapters from the authors book Everything You Think You Know About Happiness + Success is (Probably) Wrong — Barking Up the Wrong Tree by Eric Barker Book summary and notes

I think he puts a good case forward for changing unhelpful habitual ways of thinking. It has limitations with regard to medical conditions of course, but I think its something that any person can do on varying levels if they are receptive to or maybe more importantly are ready for a change.
I liked the idea because it provides the person with a framework that they can follow and implement at their own pace.
It links in with some of the lighter yet successful approaches I have experienced in therapy and is now part of my self care routine.

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Someone compliments you and you think, “They don’t mean it.”

Something good happens and you hear, “I don’t deserve this.”

You’re meeting new people and it’s, “They won’t like me.”

And you usually accept those words because they’re coming from inside your head. It’s like the horror movie where the calls from the killer are coming from inside the house.

These are called “automatic thoughts.” And they suck. But we all know the answer: you just need to think happy thoughts, right?

Wrong. Let’s get our psychology lessons from somewhere other than Instagram memes, alright? “Think happy thoughts” doesn’t help unless you don’t need help.

From The Confidence Gap:

Their study, entitled “Positive Self-Statements: Power for Some, Peril for Others,” … showed that people with low self-esteem actually feel worse after repeating positive self-statements such as “I am a lovable person” or “I will succeed.” Rather than being helpful, these positive thoughts typically triggered a strong negative reaction and a resultant low mood


I've had some success with changing my negative self talk, it's taken a while and I'm sure I could fall out of the healthy habit (much like a diet :lol:), but now that I can stand back and see how detrimental the negative self talk is, I cant un-know this truth.



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11 Oct 2019, 5:01 am

I would say that Cognitive-Behavioral therapy has at least some of these elements.



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11 Oct 2019, 6:00 am

I have found these techniques useful and eventually they become habits and you don't have to think about them. Interestingly to me, as I clear out the unhelpful thought circuits, I uncover more. That sounds bad, but I really kind of enjoy it now. Like a game of gotcha.

It is so freeing to think, "I don't have to feel that way."


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11 Oct 2019, 10:12 am

Compliments are just as judgmental as insults. In that way, hence, it does not matter if they mean it. They expect you to say "thank you" as if their opinion should matter to you


There is nothing you "deserve". Five year olds get cancer. They don't "deserve" it. Some people win lottery. It just happens that they won it.

"Life" is not fair


Sometimes "life" is not even "life"


Some people won't "like" you. They could have a good or bad reason.


You can't measure self esteem

Who is to say that you should have high self esteem?


Maybe precious lil "people" with high self esteem, have Narcissistic personality disorder or "delusion of grandeur"


"I will succeed"

Vague. "Succeed" at what? You might succeed. But false confidence is , still confidence. You might also fail.



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11 Oct 2019, 10:17 am

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Compliments are just as judgmental as insults. In that way, hence, it does not matter if they mean it. They expect you to say "thank you" as if their opinion should matter to you


There is nothing you "deserve". Five year olds get cancer. They don't "deserve" it. Some people win lottery. It just happens that they won it.

"Life" is not fair


Sometimes "life" is not even "life"


Some people won't "like" you. They could have a good or bad reason.


You can't measure self esteem

Who is to say that you should have high self esteem?


Maybe precious lil "people" with high self esteem, have Narcissistic personality disorder or "delusion of grandeur"


"I will succeed"

Vague. "Succeed" at what? You might succeed. But false confidence is , still confidence. You might also fail.



What has this got to do with the price of beans??????


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11 Oct 2019, 10:26 am

Strange ... when someone compliments me and I think "They don't mean it", "You don't deserve it", or "They really don't like you", these thoughts seem to always be "spoken" as if they came from my late father.

(He was abusive, alcoholic and bipolar.)

Even stranger ... saying to myself "Shut up, Dad" really seems to have a positive effect on my ability to accept compliments and feel good about them.

Maybe this technique would work for others ... ?



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11 Oct 2019, 10:39 am

^^ works better if you can just delete the entire sequence. (having had similar with the male parent)


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11 Oct 2019, 11:38 am

Sounds similar to ANTS (Automatic Negative Thoughts) in the book "Change your brain, Change your life" by Dr Daniel Amen. He gave talks on PBS for years during the pledge drives.


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11 Oct 2019, 1:40 pm

blazingstar wrote:
^^ works better if you can just delete the entire sequence. (having had similar with the male parent)
It's not a simple, one-set process, but it I've been experiencing these intrusive thoughts less and less. Saying "Shut up!" whenever I have these thoughts (really just memories of what my dad and others have said to me), I render them powerless and can easily dismiss them. Even memories of embarrassing or humiliating moments from childhood are easily dismissed by remembering that they happened long, long ago in a grade school far, far away...



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11 Oct 2019, 4:06 pm

^I used to say the shut up thing, it's a way to draw attention what's really happening and taking back control.
What I've come to understand is that (for me) reacting to it harshly reinforces the negative self talk, perhaps if I attributed those words to their actual owner it could be different.
I related to the part on waging war on myself, so true lol.



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11 Oct 2019, 6:34 pm

To Fnord (because the quotes keep sending me into endless verification):

You are correct; it is a process and I didn't mean to be glib. It probably took me 40 years from realizing it was a problem to having the problem largely dismissed. This is one of the reasons why to folks near the beginning it seems like such an impossible task. Of course, tell me something is impossible and I can't wait to prove you wrong. :lol: Even if it takes me 40 years. :lol:


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11 Oct 2019, 6:40 pm

To Amity - that's because, I think, you are still battling your father on these topics, rather than taking your own power as an adult. Fnord may have more power to do that being male and men are supposed to challenge their fathers when they grow up. But nice little girls aren't. You are grown now and he has no power over you. You might want to look for something to say back that is more self-affirming. Although I do like Fnord's brevity. Has more punch to it, so to speak. Fnord, if I have spoken out of turn or misinterpreted something, feel free to correct me and I apologize in advance.


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11 Oct 2019, 6:43 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I would say that Cognitive-Behavioral therapy has at least some of these elements.


I’ve undergone CBT but it didn’t help me. I really don’t think there is any hope for me. I just want to die.



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12 Oct 2019, 12:36 am

Marknis wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I would say that Cognitive-Behavioral therapy has at least some of these elements.


I’ve undergone CBT but it didn’t help me. I really don’t think there is any hope for me. I just want to die.


Marknis as I said this topic is not applicable to medical conditions.
CBT has limitations, all talk therapies do, especially when the brains chemistry isn't balanced.
I might have mentioned this before, in my estimation you need to seek medical support, asap, as in today/tomorrow/Monday.



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12 Oct 2019, 1:21 am

blazingstar wrote:
To Amity - that's because, I think, you are still battling your father on these topics, rather than taking your own power as an adult. Fnord may have more power to do that being male and men are supposed to challenge their fathers when they grow up. But nice little girls aren't. You are grown now and he has no power over you. You might want to look for something to say back that is more self-affirming. Although I do like Fnord's brevity. Has more punch to it, so to speak. Fnord, if I have spoken out of turn or misinterpreted something, feel free to correct me and I apologize in advance.

There is certainly more to be resolved and habits to be broken, I've got better at accepting that this is a journey.
I tend these days to be kinder in my reactions about self talk, so although it's not quite as punchy as shut up, it's still taking back the power for myself. As in I decide what my internal voice says, I correct it gently and don't give the negativity any more reinforcement. Eg I replace 'I must/have/need to do' with 'I could, or I might'.
Anger going outwards towards others is an ongoing piece, it's quite recent that I learned to be comfortable with writing certain people off as assh*les.



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12 Oct 2019, 6:43 am

Agreed. Anger is largely not a very useful emotion in a personal sphere. Takes up a large amount of energy that could be used for something better.


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