First time I learned to Lie and double think

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17 Nov 2019, 7:58 pm

The first time I learned to lie was when I was in elementary school and I was asked what I wanted to do when I grow up. I told them I just wanted to play Robot Oddessy. They wouldn't accept the answer. The concept sort of came to me like in the movie The Invention of Lying. So, I just made some s**t up and told them I wanted to be a scientist when that was not true at all. I would've preferred to stay home and play Robot Oddessey like I said in 3rd grade.

This is one ancedotal example of what I mean when our society engages in double-think. It presents as though one has choices when one really does not. My choices are pre-determined but if they're pre-determined how is that really a choice?



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18 Nov 2019, 5:39 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
The first time I learned to lie was when I was in elementary school and I was asked what I wanted to do when I grow up. I told them I just wanted to play Robot Oddessy. They wouldn't accept the answer. The concept sort of came to me like in the movie The Invention of Lying. So, I just made some s**t up and told them I wanted to be a scientist when that was not true at all. I would've preferred to stay home and play Robot Oddessey like I said in 3rd grade.

This is one ancedotal example of what I mean when our society engages in double-think. It presents as though one has choices when one really does not. My choices are pre-determined but if they're pre-determined how is that really a choice?


All choices are basically pre-determined, since you have to choose between pre-existing options. I think the real problem is most people don't like individuality very much. And the idea of you playing a video game your whole life bothers them, even though they have not necessarily done anything with their lives.



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20 Nov 2019, 9:54 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
The first time I learned to lie was when I was in elementary school and I was asked what I wanted to do when I grow up. I told them I just wanted to play Robot Oddessy. They wouldn't accept the answer. The concept sort of came to me like in the movie The Invention of Lying. So, I just made some s**t up and told them I wanted to be a scientist when that was not true at all. I would've preferred to stay home and play Robot Oddessey like I said in 3rd grade.
This has partially to do with you misunderstanding the question. Namely, the word "do". You interpreted it literally, as a simple action verb meaning "perform an activity". As expected, you said you wanted to play Robot Odyssey, presumably as much as you want, with no time limitations. (Which you probably had as a child.) The question REALLY meant "What do you want to do for employment?". In which case, the false answer "scientist" was correct. But even though it was due to a misunderstanding, you still had to lie for you answer to be correct.

I actually ran into similar issues. Sometime in 2nd grade, I told my teacher and another teacher in the room that I wanted to "work with computers that help people achieve things". I got cooing, overjoyed reactions that creeped the hell out of me! (It was early 1990's, when computers weren't mainstream.) So after mulling over it, I started telling adults I wanted to be a doctor. I also told one adult I wanted to join the US Army. The reactions became more "normal": a smile and a short statement of praise. Funny how I work in IT today. Perhaps if I were 7 or 8 today, saying "I want to work with computers" would probably result in a nonchalant shrug.

I, too, learned very early on, around age 5, that all adults were liars and hypocrites. For example, I got the usual "no ice cream until you finish your meal", while adults had no such rules. So I had no moral qualms about lying and manipulating, considering how I saw adults do those things all the time. Many times, it helped me get out of a punishment, or at least delay it until I could mentally prepare myself. My lying skills because extremely important when I saw a therapist. She'd ask me how something made me feel, only to turn around and not believe me! But when I told her the most inane, bold-faced lie I could come up with, she'd thank me for my honesty! I later got good at keeping her busy with fabricated easy issues as well.

It's the main reason I decided to never have kids. I don't want to put a innocent person through 20 years of misery.