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11 Dec 2019, 10:14 pm

I watched the Youtube video I'll post below which was created by a high functioning autistic woman. I found the video interesting and I will summarize here:

She says that often NTs consider autistics as weird without knowing the people they're getting that feeling about are autistic. This is true. There has been at least one scientific study done which concluded that NTs can pick up on autistics not being NT even when autistics mask. NTs can sense that there's something different or 'weird' about the person even if they don't know why.

She also talks about something I wasn't familiar with that's related to robots and artificial intelligence known as the "Uncanny Valley" a term which describes a situation where robots that are extremely human-like create an unsettled feeling in humans as a response. R2D2, C3PO and BB8 have human characteristics, but they're cute because they don't look human. A robot that could nearly pass as human and at first glance might even be regarded as human would illicit a creepy vibe that would make a person uncomfortable.

Perhaps autistic people are in the Uncanny Valley to NTs?



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13 Dec 2019, 9:59 am

I think the uncanny valley concept relates well to asperger type presentation where they present almost normal and that can be threatening and creepy



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13 Dec 2019, 10:38 am

Yes, before I knew I was autistic I always wondered why I could move to another city, even another country, and people would think I was weird, even if I wasn't doing anything weird.


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13 Dec 2019, 1:07 pm

I don't think I come across as threatening or creepy. I come across as odd and annoying.

Speaking of the uncanny valley, how come the look of Mr Spock doesn't typically freak people out? I don't watch Star Trek so I don't really know much about him but whenever I've seen pictures of him I've noticed his different facial shape but I've never felt creeped out by it.


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13 Dec 2019, 2:29 pm

I think I was always seen as weird and though I pass, I have been unable to keep a job due to not blending in properly. I think I coped by actually being proud that I was not like the main herd. I certainly was bored to tears when people talked about shopping, or even nothing....and I let it show. When I was quiet, people thought I was stuck-up. When I spoke, people realized I was not of this earth. :D


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13 Dec 2019, 5:58 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I don't think I come across as threatening or creepy. I come across as odd and annoying.

Speaking of the uncanny valley, how come the look of Mr Spock doesn't typically freak people out? I don't watch Star Trek so I don't really know much about him but whenever I've seen pictures of him I've noticed his different facial shape but I've never felt creeped out by it.


I think it's because they know Spock is an alien from the start, so that puts him in a different category. We're assumed to be normal humans...but we somehow aren't, which is disturbing to people.


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14 Dec 2019, 7:48 am

I suppose this does relate. "Uncanny valley" can apply to myself and even when people don't know someone has ASD or a disability and they notice something that they consider "off" about people with ASD. I have had the experience with people disliking me and feeling unsettled and I am completely aware of it. There is nothing I can do or say in that situation because it would only make it worse. I guess the "oddness" registers on a subconscious level, then people make the full judgement based on this. I am guilty of the fidgeting aspect, and us and neurotypicals are on different wavelengths which leave us on the wrong foot.

With the attempting to fit into the real world, I know that people still find me to be that strange person. There are certain factors to this I can't control.


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14 Dec 2019, 8:06 am

This has always made me feel depressed and angry about having Asperger's. I'm an extrovert and I've always desired social interaction since as long as I can remember, and loneliness can cause me to get depressed or even go insane.

When I was 13 there was a new girl started at my school and the teacher put her next to me in one of our classes. She was quiet at first because she didn't know anybody, but I made her feel welcome. I asked what her name was then told her my name, she made a funny joke out of my name and I laughed, and I thought maybe we might become friends. But the girl on the desk behind poked her nose in and by the next day the new girl was sitting next to the girl behind and they became best friends ever since. They spoke to me still but the new girl soon realised that there was something ''off'' about me and didn't really speak to me much after a while.
At times like that I really badly wished that I was NT.

I really hate having this sh***y Asperger's thing. It's like it's a barrier. I used to hit myself in the face before I went on meds, as a way to punish myself for being weird.


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14 Dec 2019, 2:59 pm

Joe90 wrote:
This has always made me feel depressed and angry about having Asperger's. I'm an extrovert and I've always desired social interaction since as long as I can remember, and loneliness can cause me to get depressed or even go insane.

When I was 13 there was a new girl started at my school and the teacher put her next to me in one of our classes. She was quiet at first because she didn't know anybody, but I made her feel welcome. I asked what her name was then told her my name, she made a funny joke out of my name and I laughed, and I thought maybe we might become friends. But the girl on the desk behind poked her nose in and by the next day the new girl was sitting next to the girl behind and they became best friends ever since. They spoke to me still but the new girl soon realised that there was something ''off'' about me and didn't really speak to me much after a while.
At times like that I really badly wished that I was NT.

I really hate having this sh***y Asperger's thing. It's like it's a barrier. I used to hit myself in the face before I went on meds, as a way to punish myself for being weird.


Joe90: My sincere hope is that at some point in your life you'll come to a place of acceptance and love for yourself. I don't say this lightly because I know how hard it can be. It took me nearly 49 years to get to a place of self-acceptance and self-love more than I'd ever had previously. Again, I sincerely hope that at some point you can get there. I think you can.