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30 Sep 2018, 11:38 pm

Hello people! What doing? I just found out about Angelman syndrome recently after getting a 23&me test. I think I'm psychic with empathy but have been wrong at times. Anyways, just wanted to come here to share my discoveries and see how y'all are doing.

I want to talk about empathy and how to not care what people think. How do you sense that someone doesn't like you and not feel hurt by it? Empathy is shared feelings so if someone hates you, how do you not allow yourself to hate yourself? :heart: :scratch:

First off, being creative can make you think up ways to avoid that empathy confrontation just so that you can protect yourself from pain. On the flip side, if you believe something you can, possibly sometimes, alter reality. Let's say, a person hates you and your mind protects you by misinterpreting it, but then as you continue to interact with the person, he or she turns around to like you and thereby the reality bends to your belief.



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30 Sep 2018, 11:54 pm

I don't know what angelman syndrome is but I have no problem with emotional empathy, I tend to just have trouble understand what people are thinking (as opposed to feeling, as long as they talk to me about it).
As for your technique of misinterpreting people's enmity until they come around to looking you, I hope that works for you :)
As for myself, I prefer to be less mature and more vindictive in the face of what I think is dislike. I don't misunderstand it as far as I can tell. I tend to just ignore it just in case I'm wrong and I dont want to be rude or hateful back in case it's not called for. But the immature vindictiveness that I mentioned comes out when I'm 100% sure someone doesn't like me. Then I ignore it just out of spite. People try to hurt you so they can enjoy your pain and discomfort. So don't give them what they want. Smile in their face. Act like nothing is wrong. I would rather force their hand into a direct confrontation. At least then everything comes out in the open. This is what I much prefer. NTs seem to prefer sneaky back biting, rumors and reputation destruction. Jordan Peterson says these are archetypal female strategies where men are usually physically aggressive. Not in my experience. Men are just as likely to be underhanded cowards as women, if not more.



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01 Oct 2018, 12:09 am

Autonomous_Bay wrote:
Let's say, a person hates you and your mind protects you by misinterpreting it, but then as you continue to interact with the person, he or she turns around to like you and thereby the reality bends to your belief.


I don't understand. If your mind is protecting you by misinterpreting hate as being liked what reality is to be bent if the outcome is the same in your mind.


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01 Oct 2018, 2:23 am

Angelman Syndrome - National Organization for Rare Disorders


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01 Oct 2018, 7:41 am

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The description of the disorder is both too technical AND too painful to read thoroughly(sounds like a horrible thing to have). But I think that I get the gist.

A child with the syndrome would be basically a basket case unable to talk, and probably not able to walk either.

So what does angelman's syndrome have to do with anything that the original poster is talking about? Its a complete nonsequitar.

He doesn't even claim to have the disorder. And if he had been born with the disorder he probably wouldn't have lived long enough to learn to read,write, and to communicate on the web like he is doing. And the disorder has nothing to do with empathy (either the psychic kind, or the regular kind), or the lack thereof.

So WTF are you talking about?



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01 Oct 2018, 9:12 am

naturalplastic wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:


The description of the disorder is both too technical AND too painful to read thoroughly(sounds like a horrible thing to have). But I think that I get the gist.

A child with the syndrome would be basically a basket case unable to talk, and probably not able to walk either.

So what does angelman's syndrome have to do with anything that the original poster is talking about? Its a complete nonsequitar.

He doesn't even claim to have the disorder. And if he had been born with the disorder he probably wouldn't have lived long enough to learn to read,write, and to communicate on the web like he is doing. And the disorder has nothing to do with empathy (either the psychic kind, or the regular kind), or the lack thereof.

So WTF are you talking about?

Angelmen’s Syndrome is a genetic disorder and he said he took the 23@me a genetic test so I think he was saying he suspects he has it or actually has it. I have not seen any link between Angelman’s and empathy or psychic
abilities. Since Angelmen’s is a rare condition I thought a lot of readers would not know about it so I posted a link to a description.


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01 Oct 2018, 11:32 am

It's a spectrum. Not all autistics are severely affected. I have a feeling that those on the spectrum who are empaths have Angelman syndrome. The only way to get diagnosed is to get a genetic test. A deletion on UBE3A is the most common gene for Angelman.

On a side note, autistic savant gene (15q11-15q13) has been implicated on UBE3A. I need to research this more, but from what I know so far, it looks like all these new mutations cause a type of fragile balance. I wonder if toxins affect mutated genes more than traditionally inherited ones.

Back to the subject of autistic empathy, remember when the DSM said that it doesn't exist on the spectrum? I remember meeting lots of people here who claimed to prefer empathizing with animals over people simply because with animals there is consistency in what they vocalize and their true intentions. What if autistics shut down this unnecessary and false type of NT feedback that the DSM assumes is empathy.



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01 Oct 2018, 12:16 pm

I don't have any symptoms of Angelman syndrome (I've never even heard of it before) but I am a strong empath.


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01 Oct 2018, 12:20 pm

Angelman's Syndrome is a disorder where there is relatively severe cognitive disability.

A person with Angelman's Syndrome is usually toilet-trained, but can only say a few words at most. They usually possess a nice, sunny disposition. They frequently also get seizures.

There are many blogs which describe people with Angelman's Syndrome.

It is highly doubtful that anybody with Angelman's Syndrome can post on WrongPlanet.



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01 Oct 2018, 12:39 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Angelman's Syndrome is a disorder where there is relatively severe cognitive disability.

A person with Angelman's Syndrome is usually toilet-trained, but can only say a few words at most. They usually possess a nice, sunny disposition. They frequently also get seizures.

There are many blogs which describe people with Angelman's Syndrome.

It is highly doubtful that anybody with Angelman's Syndrome can post on WrongPlanet.


Thank you.

Thanks for summarizing it into plain English.



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01 Oct 2018, 12:46 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:


. Since Angelmen’s is a rare condition I thought a lot of readers would not know about it so I posted a link to a description.


When I said "WTF are you talking about?" I was addressing the original poster, not you. He is the one I don't understand.

You don't need to apologize nor state the obvious reason why you posted that article.



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01 Oct 2018, 12:47 pm

According to the internet:

Angelman syndrome is a complex genetic disorder that primarily affects the nervous system. Characteristic features of this condition include delayed development, intellectual disability, severe speech impairment, and problems with movement and balance (ataxia). Most affected children also have recurrent seizures (epilepsy) and a small head size (microcephaly). Delayed development becomes noticeable by the age of 6 to 12 months, and other common signs and symptoms usually appear in early childhood.

Children with Angelman syndrome typically have a happy, excitable demeanor with frequent smiling, laughter, and hand-flapping movements. Hyperactivity, a short attention span, and a fascination with water are common. Most affected children also have difficulty sleeping and need less sleep than usual.

With age, people with Angelman syndrome become less excitable, and the sleeping problems tend to improve. However, affected individuals continue to have intellectual disability, severe speech impairment, and seizures throughout their lives. Adults with Angelman syndrome have distinctive facial features that may be described as "coarse." Other common features include unusually fair skin with light-colored hair and an abnormal side-to-side curvature of the spine (scoliosis). The life expectancy of people with this condition appears to be nearly normal.


As a result I would agree with other members on this board, that the poster Autonomous_Bay probably does not have this condition.

As far as your second question "I want to talk about empathy and how to not care what people think. How do you sense that someone doesn't like you and not feel hurt by it?"

I have empathy but I pick and chose when to use it. I do not take anything at face value. Generally if I am deceived I recognize the betrayal and put it in the box of failures for future references. If I feel hurt, I move on quite quickly and forget - leaving the past behind.

I do not care what other people think. I only care about what I think. I have learned a long time ago to stand on my own two feet. I do not expect to conform to society but rather I expect society to conform to me. I am a non-conformist.


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01 Oct 2018, 12:47 pm

Google and Wikipedia are your friends!

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Angelman syndrome (AS) is a genetic disorder that mainly affects the nervous system. Symptoms include a small head and a specific facial appearance, severe intellectual disability, developmental disability, speaking problems, balance and movement problems, seizures, and sleep problems. Children usually have a happy personality and have a particular interest in water. The symptoms generally become noticeable by one year of age.

Angelman syndrome is typically due to a new mutation rather than one inherited from a person's parents. Angelman syndrome is due to a lack of function of part of chromosome 15 inherited from a person's mother. Most of the time, it is due to a deletion or mutation of the UBE3A gene on that chromosome. Occasionally, it is due to inheriting two copies of chromosome 15 from a person's father and none from their mother. As the father's versions are inactivated by a process known as genomic imprinting, no functional version of the gene remains. Diagnosis is based on symptoms and possibly genetic testing...
@Autonomous_Bay: There is no evidence to support claims of any such thing as telepathy or any other form of direct mind-to-mind contact.



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01 Oct 2018, 5:21 pm

Angelman Syndrome is a form of autism and it's a spectrum where on one end you have severely afflicted as well as those who don't even get diagnosed because their symptoms are so mild. A deletion on the UBE3A gene is one way to get a diagnosis and I found that out through genetic testing. I have several other mutations on this gene that are known to cause Angelman syndrome and have this super empathy that I've struggled with all my life but was told it was all in my head. Interestingly, Angelman Syndrome was first called The Happy Puppet Syndrome because the children showed extreme empathy to the point of mimicking whoever they socialized with. In hind-sight, those who told me that I was wrong about my empathy often lied to me. When I realized that I began deluding myself by thinking people liked me when they didn't, that is when I began to analyze my empathy.

In a very mild case of this Angelman Syndrome, the empathy is felt as psychic telepathy. The EEG was actually invented by a man who had a telepathic experience with his sister and he spent the rest of his life trying to figure out how that works, so that is something we should at least consider before dismissing telepathy and real empathy.

Real empathy is when you feel what another person is feeling. If you are interacting with someone who hates you, you'll feel hatred for yourself. Most people don't have real empathy and those who do have it, struggle with it and have to deal with things that can be quite difficult emotionally. I wonder if autistics shut this empathy off as a coping mechanism. I learned a lot from psychopaths actually. They don't feel congruently with what they say and so by analyzying them I've learned how to decipher normal people.

Animal vocalizations are consistent with their true intentions but humans are not. You can see how this can confuse a psychic. As children they want to believe the lies, especially the lies of those people they love.



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01 Oct 2018, 6:38 pm

Autonomous_Bay wrote:
Angelman Syndrome is a form of autism...
Evidence, please?
Autonomous_Bay wrote:
...In a very mild case of this Angelman Syndrome, the empathy is felt as psychic telepathy...
Evidence, please?
Autonomous_Bay wrote:
...The EEG was actually invented by a man who had a telepathic experience with his sister...
Evidence, please?
Autonomous_Bay wrote:
... Real empathy is when you feel what another person is feeling...
Evidence, please?
Autonomous_Bay wrote:
... I learned a lot from psychopaths actually. They don't feel congruently with what they say...
Evidence, please? There is no valid empirical evidence for the existence of 'psychic' abilities, only lame excuses as to why alleged 'psychic' abilities never seem to work under controlled conditions -- conditions with recording devices, expert witnesses, double-blind procedures, et cetera.



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01 Oct 2018, 6:48 pm

Do you believe you have Angelman's Syndrome?

I've read extensively on it-----and not one person affected with Angelman's Syndrome is able to say more than a few words. They are pleasant people---but can be difficult because of their seizures and sleep difficulties.

If a more "moderate" form of Angelman's Syndrome existed, I would have found out about it by now.

Perhaps you might have something else having to do with the deletion of some portion of Chromosome 15?