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05 Feb 2020, 4:08 am

I've noticed myself doing this a few times, recently. I connect it to the work with my therapist about unmasking and connecting with my true feelings. The thing looks like this:
I stand up, flapping my hands, my tongue gets tangled but I manage to spit single words like:
"sorry... not now... I... need... a break."

I get surprisingly good reactions for this, even in public. Apparently, much better than when I tried to keep appearing normal until I entered a full meltdown.


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05 Feb 2020, 7:04 am

I used to have meltdowns, and social consequences. Those episodes never stopped happening, but I learned to turn them inwards, an experience I've seen many autistics describe as a shutdown.

Your account seems wholly consistent with one of those.

This probably seems like old news, especially given your post count, but your report and this amplification seem to be a direct fit, to me.

It's the same raging amygdala, quite likely caused by sensory overload, often following increased sensory sensitivity eg for emotional or anxiety reasons. The shutdown is a meltdown with conscious suppression of the meltdown's usual outer signs.

We're not coping during a shutdown. Neurotypicals will often read that signal even if they are only partly sure what to make of it.



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05 Feb 2020, 7:19 am

Okay, some background history:
I used to have violent meltdowns as a child. They were met with a mix of agression and contempt that made them even worse. A lot of trauma from this.
Over time, I learned to control myself - I dissociated from my feelings and acted in whatever way I found appropriate at the moment. Almost perfect masking. The problem? Years of daily employing this technique made me mentally ill. I'm still scared of the idea of having a meltdown in public.
My ongoing therapy is a lot about reconnecting with what I really feel and unlearning the dissociative reflex.
I do experience shutdowns, too, mostly partial. Teachers from high school believed I was doing drugs when they saw how my mental capacity fluctuated. It's all about slowing down like an overloaded computer.

What I describe may be some kind of a middle ground between acting socially acceptably and expressing what I feel. This is what I meant to share.


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05 Feb 2020, 7:38 am

I'm glad you are getting more helpful reactions. I've discovered something similar recently. I used to try and push through overwhelm and act normal too. I'd suffer terribly and then be angry that no one understood I was struggling and that they didn't care. I've also been trying to mask less as it's is just so exhausting. But words, even a few simple words delivered without elegance are often just enough for people to understand. I think most people aren't hostile or uncaring of autistic people, they just don't understand our communication without subtitles in the native NT language which is spoken words. Which sucks, because I find words words are so hard to find and speak during meltdown/shutdown.



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05 Feb 2020, 8:53 am

TimS1980 wrote:
I used to have meltdowns, and social consequences. Those episodes never stopped happening, but I learned to turn them inwards, an experience I've seen many autistics describe as a shutdown.

Your account seems wholly consistent with one of those.

This probably seems like old news, especially given your post count, but your report and this amplification seem to be a direct fit, to me.

It's the same raging amygdala, quite likely caused by sensory overload, often following increased sensory sensitivity eg for emotional or anxiety reasons. The shutdown is a meltdown with conscious suppression of the meltdown's usual outer signs.

We're not coping during a shutdown. Neurotypicals will often read that signal even if they are only partly sure what to make of it.


This is certainly my experience. The worst situation is when people won't let me shut down and keep prodding me to find out what's wrong, or even react abusively. That just inviting a meltdown.


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05 Feb 2020, 9:16 am

My family members have been able to defuse my meltdowns at times.



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05 Feb 2020, 9:21 am

EzraS wrote:
My family members have been able to defuse my meltdowns at times.

How?

For my daughter, taking her to some quiet place and giving her a pencil and a piece of paper makes wonders.


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05 Feb 2020, 9:29 am

magz wrote:
EzraS wrote:
My family members have been able to defuse my meltdowns at times.

How?

For my daughter, taking her to some quiet place and giving her a pencil and a piece of paper makes wonders.


Hugging me from behind (which also pins me if it does not work) and saying soothing things to me.



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05 Feb 2020, 10:17 am

Chloe has an interesting solution - communication cards!


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05 Feb 2020, 10:35 am

magz wrote:
EzraS wrote:
My family members have been able to defuse my meltdowns at times.

How?

For my daughter, taking her to some quiet place and giving her a pencil and a piece of paper makes wonders.

My son just needs time (half an hour to over an hour) alone in a quiet, dark place. The same is true for me...though a quiet, tight, undemanding hug--but only from a couple of trusted people--can also help me.


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05 Feb 2020, 10:46 am

This thread hit home. I do not know if I will ever get used to reading detailed accounts of my experiences written by a person that I have never met. I have a great fear of having a meltdown in public, and will do anything to avoid it. I can limp along, but I know that I am not functioning at capacity. The result is, heightend sensory issues, exhaustion, and a near shutdown of executive function. I just wish that I could be me.


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06 Feb 2020, 10:11 pm

I am also "experimenting" with meltdowns since my diagnosis. My past options were full repression (=depression) or freak out (privately). I've written in other posts that I stepped out of a party but needed a better "exit" phrase. Last week instead of fully repressing my feelings, I only mostly repressed them (and fell asleep) --- so that was an improvement, I think. Ideally I could regulate them and stay awake, but oh, hum.