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truthseeker999
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10 Nov 2020, 4:20 pm

My second son is not vaccinated and is super cute kid. He is 15 months old and loves sharing time with us. My first son has Asperger (is vaccinated) and as i remember he'd play on his own, would have some repetitive behaviour (for example arranging stuff in particular order), had fixation on particular stuff and was avoiding eye contact.

Second son is not like that, he has no repetitive behavior, his attention is wide (interested in various stuff) and what is very important he looks to us in eyes with no problem. He often does it and if we smile to him, he smiles back to us. When we play and he does something interesting he looks at us as if he's saying "you see what i can do". When he enjoyes some toy he also looks at us and makes some squiqy sound of gr8 happines. He likes when he's crawling and running away from us and we try to catch him. He sometimes clasp with his hands when he wants to show some emotion. If some stuff is out of his reach and he wants it he will make gesture (reach with his hand) so that we give it to him. To mention, he likes to be carried and often makes his arms wide so that we take him up. Also, he responds to name calling (if he's not watching something interesting on TV). Those are good things about him.

Now come difficult part, he's 15 months and still didn't say his first word, he is not pointing with finger, doesn't do bye bye gesticualtion and is a bit clumpsy. For example, he can now walk with me holding one of his hands. He can't yet walk on his own but soon will be able to i guess.

So my question actually could be summarized to following - does anyone of you know that someone is autistic and who at 15 months age showed symptoms like I mentioned -

b) doesn't talk
b) doesn't point finger
c) doesn't make bye bye gesticulation
d) is a bit clumpsy

Is this reason for concern or you think he's just a bit late?



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10 Nov 2020, 4:25 pm

We cannot diagnose your son.  If you suspect that your son is autistic, please contact your physician or an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health practitioner.


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10 Nov 2020, 4:28 pm

Not sure. Would be an idea for him to be assessed, just to be sure, but I don't know a lot about these things.


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10 Nov 2020, 4:31 pm

I know you can't, I just wonder if you had such experiance.

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We cannot diagnose your son.  If you suspect that your son is autistic, please contact your physician or an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health practitioner.



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10 Nov 2020, 4:36 pm

truthseeker999 wrote:
I know you can't, I just wonder if you had such experience?


I have good long term memories about my own childhood, but I am not sure if I am on the spectrum or not.


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10 Nov 2020, 4:45 pm

Its very good what you say, becouse ASD is so wide, there is no single symptom, but a huge variety of symptoms which may or may not be connected into formal diagnoses.

I guess when you have few symptoms they lable you as having traits, but if you have more they lable you as ASD.



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10 Nov 2020, 4:46 pm

truthseeker999 wrote:
My second son is not vaccinated and is super cute kid. He is 15 months old and loves sharing time with us. My first son has Asperger (is vaccinated) and as i remember he'd play on his own, would have some repetitive behaviour (for example arranging stuff in particular order), had fixation on particular stuff and was avoiding eye contact.

Second son is not like that, he has no repetitive behavior, his attention is wide (interested in various stuff) and what is very important he looks to us in eyes with no problem. He often does it and if we smile to him, he smiles back to us. When we play and he does something interesting he looks at us as if he's saying "you see what i can do". When he enjoyes some toy he also looks at us and makes some squiqy sound of gr8 happines. He likes when he's crawling and running away from us and we try to catch him. He sometimes clasp with his hands when he wants to show some emotion. If some stuff is out of his reach and he wants it he will make gesture (reach with his hand) so that we give it to him. To mention, he likes to be carried and often makes his arms wide so that we take him up. Also, he responds to name calling (if he's not watching something interesting on TV). Those are good things about him.

Now come difficult part, he's 15 months and still didn't say his first word, he is not pointing with finger, doesn't do bye bye gesticualtion and is a bit clumpsy. For example, he can now walk with me holding one of his hands. He can't yet walk on his own but soon will be able to i guess.

So my question actually could be summarized to following - does anyone of you know that someone is autistic and who at 15 months age showed symptoms like I mentioned -

b) doesn't talk
b) doesn't point finger
c) doesn't make bye bye gesticulation
d) is a bit clumpsy

Is this reason for concern or you think he's just a bit late?
I don't think we can diagnosis him anyway but it's worth pointing out that it's to soon to tell. Also I don't think you should be to worried about it at this point of time however it's worth poniting out statistically having one autistic child makes yo more likely to have another. I am a second autistic son.


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10 Nov 2020, 4:56 pm

Your're correct, because when he starts to speak, and when we see how he makes sentences etc., than we'll know much more than now. So I guess I'm noticing warning signs because one child already has ASD so Im a bit forward thinking although it's to early to tell.

He may or may not be, but to find out it will take time. By the way, Im so happy I found this forum and if you wish to type, be free to message me :)



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10 Nov 2020, 5:06 pm

truthseeker999 wrote:
Its very good what you say, becouse ASD is so wide, there is no single symptom, but a huge variety of symptoms which may or may not be connected into formal diagnoses.

I guess when you have few symptoms they lable you as having traits, but if you have more they lable you as ASD.


When I joined this site I did based on a vague link between a symptom I have had since a young child and was causing me problems and autistic meltdowns. I have since found (And am 100% sure of this) that I have been having autistic partial and full shutdowns with the help of people on this site.
I thought on joining this site that I only had one single trait. I did not know much about autism... I knew hardly anything at all! But since I joined I have found out so much! I assumed that I was somewhere in the middle of being autistic and allistic so I could identify with both sides BUT, I have since realized that I hardly know how NT's think, because I realize how many traits I have. I asked someone on this site who got to know me to list traits she has noticed I have as by then I could count about five traits. She listed traits and I started to write them down and she reached thirty traits before she ran out, and only two traits she listed I am not sure if I have. This really surprized me because I just did not know!


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10 Nov 2020, 6:57 pm

15 months of age is a little early to worry about kids talking. In my experience, there are many "normal" kids who don't talk really well until they reach about 3. There are even some "normal" 15-month olds who don't walk yet.

From the other things you described-----no, he doesn't seem autistic to me. He seems very much like a typical 15-month-old.



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10 Nov 2020, 7:04 pm

As Fnord has said, we are not qualified to make an assessment. Since your second son is still very young, it may be a little too soon to panic if he is a little slow. One thing to keep in mind:

Some children with autism spectrum disorder start to develop communication skills and then regress, usually between 12 and 24 months. For example, a child who was communicating with words such as “mommy” or “up” may stop using language entirely, or a child may stop playing social games he or she used to enjoy such as peek-a-boo, patty cake, or waving “bye-bye.” Any loss of speech, babbling, gestures, or social skills should be taken very seriously, as regression is a major red flag for autism.

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10 Nov 2020, 8:27 pm

Some places are doing very early autism screenings now. Not an assessment, but just a screening to handle concerns like you have. 15 months is not too young. Ask your doctor's office or regional medical centers.

Even if it's too early to diagnose autism, they can give you information about what to do in the coming months of your son's development.



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11 Nov 2020, 1:41 am

kraftiekortie thank you for your comment (by the way my mom didnt talk until age 3), regarding jimmy m, what you explained, this regression, that is really a serious issiue. Have you noticed it happening after vaccine, or it happens randomly. And also, it's hard for me to believe that child one day talks and waves bye bye, and next day stops without some external factor.

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As Fnord has said, we are not qualified to make an assessment. Since your second son is still very young, it may be a little too soon to panic if he is a little slow. One thing to keep in mind:

Some children with autism spectrum disorder start to develop communication skills and then regress, usually between 12 and 24 months. For example, a child who was communicating with words such as “mommy” or “up” may stop using language entirely, or a child may stop playing social games he or she used to enjoy such as peek-a-boo, patty cake, or waving “bye-bye.” Any loss of speech, babbling, gestures, or social skills should be taken very seriously, as regression is a major red flag for autism.

Source: Does My Child Have Autism?



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11 Nov 2020, 6:03 am

truthseeker999 wrote:
Have you noticed it happening after vaccine, or it happens randomly.

All the peer-reviewed studies have found no link between autism and vaccines.

Dr. Leo Kanner who discovered autism back in the 1940s noticed regression. At that time there was a minimal amount of vaccinations being given.


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11 Nov 2020, 7:43 am

If vaccines and autism are linked, we would have had a veritable epidemic of autism during the early 60s—during the mass polio vaccinations.



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11 Nov 2020, 7:45 am

I really don’t sense autism.

Normal toddlers frequently act seemingly “autistic.”

He is socially dynamic. This argues against autism.