Do we ever develop intuition?
When I ask the question "do we ever develop intuition"? I clearly mean in the socio-emotional sense... as many people have noticed and stated, those of us with ASD/HFA can gradually develop proper responses based on empirical observations and logical thought when it comes to social situations - sort of like debugging a computer program through iterations - but it's hard to say, even from my own experience, how much of that gets translated into the kind of fluid social intuition that NTs innately have, from the seamless blending of body language and Theory of Mind _given situational context_ into a coherent and accepted response. (This, incidentally, is the main reason why we don't "get" movie plots with smoothness.)
Granted, some of these would have to depend on the extent and frequency of social interactions we have with others - in situations like high school it's more limited, but in young adult life we tend to have more opportunities for practicing random interaction with others, which gives us a chance to reflect, take notes, etc. If we muster that courage to practice, w/o fear of being ostracized, then we might gain more intuitive faculty. It's a different predicament than, say, a dyslexic who can always practice with books and doesn't have to worry about the books rejecting him or her ![]()
I don't know if I have developed more intuition in social situations. Whenever I think I have, if I analyze my responses more I realize it still takes me a lot longer than other people to decipher tone/body language/etc. and that I don't innately get those things yet. I'm just a lot faster at it than I used to be because of practice.
Yeah, true that! IN the early 1990s, when I was 19, I definitely had to stop to process the nonverbals -especially when I got an ambiguously sarcastic compliment or statement or such, and sometimes I'd ask flat-out "Oh! Are you saying that sincerely?" - at least, I didn't look like too much of a Martian b/c I didn't consistently take such ambiguous statements at face value. It was later in my 20s that I learned more clinical acumen of my condition, and the adage that "93% of communication is nonverbal".
I've developed a lot of intuition and now reading body language and understanding other's emotions feels so natural. I can't even "switch off" my empathy. But I usually view my empathy as a quality of mine, which is why I get so wound up when other Aspies here go on about how Aspies lack empathy. It's a bit like an Aspie being really good at painting but then keep being told that Aspies cannot paint, or something (just an example).
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So can you also intuit the WHY of their nonverbal manifestations? Not just the WHAT (base interpretation)?
For a while, I was good with the "what", but I wouldn't always consistently /automatically tie it to the "why", which is more innate for NTs - I suspect part of that may have been b/c the body language was negative or reflected a rejection of me in some way, so I may have subconsciously blocked out the "why" (i.e. because of ME, or something I did or said out of place, is why they displayed those nonverbals) just to avoid the emotional pain - which is kind of natural considering that I had to endure so much rejection in my youth (as did 99.99% of us here).
So it wasn't just due to impaired ToM (theory of mind), although I'm sure it didn't help
So can you also intuit the WHY of their nonverbal manifestations? Not just the WHAT (base interpretation)?
For a while, I was good with the "what", but I wouldn't always consistently /automatically tie it to the "why", which is more innate for NTs - I suspect part of that may have been b/c the body language was negative or reflected a rejection of me in some way, so I may have subconsciously blocked out the "why" (i.e. because of ME, or something I did or said out of place, is why they displayed those nonverbals) just to avoid the emotional pain - which is kind of natural considering that I had to endure so much rejection in my youth (as did 99.99% of us here).
So it wasn't just due to impaired ToM (theory of mind), although I'm sure it didn't help
I don't quite understand what you mean.
I get emotionally affected a lot by other people's non-verbal intentions.
Also I'm rather naturally driven by other people's emotions. (Ie, "I won't do this otherwise John will get upset", "I will do this to make Jane happy", "John looks like he needs help, I'll go over and help him", "I'm so glad I said that to Jane, I know it really made her day").
My heart tells me these clues and predictions, not my brain (metaphorically speaking).
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I think I have pretty good, maybe even better-than-average social intuition in certain specific senses of it, but near-nonexistent in other senses of it. I don't have any trouble with superficial everyday interaction (other than that it can be draining even when it's pleasant), but I cannot for the life of me understand how closer human relationships typically work or are supposed to work.
It's hard to judge it in retrospect, but as far as I can tell/remember, I was really bad at it all as a child/teenager. I can say for sure it took me a lot longer to learn any social intuition than it does the average person. I guess I got "possibly better than average" at it because, unlike the average person, there was no natural point for me to stop learning it, especially since I learned most of it after the point when usually people have already settled on a stable way of approaching social existence.
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The only way I know can do it clearly is with executive function.
Otherwise, trying to do so is as distracting and overwhelming as any unprocessed and distorted sensory noises, causing too many errors and wrong turns.
One prerequisites might be losing alexithymic traits.
Alexithymic states inclines one to be cerebral, concrete and logical -- not how usual socialization works -- as it is without clear emotional references of it's own.
Specific traits of alexithymia are what made difference between autistics who know what feelings and empathy are and how it exists, from those who may claim to not to have some or any themselves.
In reality, the latter do have emotions. They just don't recognize it -- the former do.
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So can you also intuit the WHY of their nonverbal manifestations? Not just the WHAT (base interpretation)?
For a while, I was good with the "what", but I wouldn't always consistently /automatically tie it to the "why", which is more innate for NTs - I suspect part of that may have been b/c the body language was negative or reflected a rejection of me in some way, so I may have subconsciously blocked out the "why" (i.e. because of ME, or something I did or said out of place, is why they displayed those nonverbals) just to avoid the emotional pain - which is kind of natural considering that I had to endure so much rejection in my youth (as did 99.99% of us here).
So it wasn't just due to impaired ToM (theory of mind), although I'm sure it didn't help
I don't quite understand what you mean.
I get emotionally affected a lot by other people's non-verbal intentions.
Also I'm rather naturally driven by other people's emotions. (Ie, "I won't do this otherwise John will get upset", "I will do this to make Jane happy", "John looks like he needs help, I'll go over and help him", "I'm so glad I said that to Jane, I know it really made her day").
My heart tells me these clues and predictions, not my brain (metaphorically speaking).
Meaning, can you understand based on nonverbal cues that something you said might have upset someone? Beyond the basic fact (perception) that they're upset?
Yes, although I don't usually upset people. But if I do, I do know by their body language that I've upset them, which makes me feel guilty afterwards.
I remember at my old job my supervisor (let's just call her A) wanted to step down from being a supervisor because she found it too stressful, and another colleague (let's call her B) really wanted to step up to be the supervisor. So one morning I arrived to work in a good mood because it was Friday, and B told me happily that she was going to become the supervisor from Monday. Without thinking, I expressed elation and although it made B laugh, A looked very offended and she walked out the room. I immediately felt guilty, and I knew that she thought I cheered because I thought she was crap as a supervisor, but that wasn't it at all. I was cheering because I was happy that they both had got what they wanted, plus I was in a good mood at the time. She didn't speak to me for the rest of the day.
But the point is, I noticed straight away that I had upset her, and if you take my cheering the same way she did, I do understand how that could offend someone. She got over it and I did explain to her what I meant when I was cheering, and she forgave me.
I can also tell from other people's non-verbal reactions when I have said something stupid, in other words, made a social faux pas. In fact my ability to know what I said was stupid based on other people's body language is a good tool to learn not to say stupid things in the future.
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I think that ease in social situations arises from having one's brain set up as a fast analog circuit for that stuff. The digital, analytical side can never get fast enough. Intuition, OTOH, is more like ESP, where you might be the first to think of a word the other party is trying to remember.
I certainly have, although I attribute that to having a NT spouse who is very outgoing and popular. After decades of being his [reluctant] plus one to endless social events, I have always been quietly on the sidelines, kind of learning to decode and “read” people while he mingles. It’s kind of a “parlor trick” that he finds amusing when I’ve “read” personality traits in people he has know for years, but I have just met.
But, again, this has taken decades to cultivate. Fifteen or twenty years ago, I would have been completely oblivious to body language and facial cues. I have a child on the spectrum, and I remember we had a computer program that taught how to recognize facial cues, so that’s where I learned it.
