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20 Aug 2007, 7:58 pm

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Case 8 Alfred was brought by his mother in November, 1935 at 3 ½ years of age with this complaint:
“He has gradually shown a marked tendency towards developing one special interest which will completely dominate his day’s activities. He talks of little else while his interests exist, he frets when he is not able to indulge in it (by seeing it, coming in contact with it, drawing pictures of it), and it is difficult to get his attention because of his preoccupation …. There has been the problem of over attachment to the world of objects and failure to develop the usual amount of social awareness”

Alfred, upon entering the office, paid no attention to the examiner. He immediately spotted a train in the toy cabinet, took it out, and connected and disconnected the cars in a slow monotonous manner. He kept saying many times, More train – more train – more train. He repeatedly “counted” the cars windows – “One, two windows – one two windows – four window – eight windows.” He could not in any way be distracted from the trains. A Binet test was attempted in the room in which there were no trains. It was possible with much difficultly to pierce from time to time through his pre-occupations. He finally complied in most instances in a manner that clearly indicated that he wanted to get through with the particular intrusion.; this was repeated with each individual item of the task. In the end he achieved an I,Q. of 140

Leo Kanner


So what is the essential difference between Kanner Syndrome and Asperger Syndrome?
I do not think I got Alfred IQ score but I got a Kanner Syndrome diagnosis when I was 8.
It is because Kanners encompasses the whole spectrum whereas Aspergers usually only donotes cases from average to well above average intelligence? Or could Kanners be an obsolete version of Aspergers not on the list of DSM-IV Codes?



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20 Aug 2007, 8:59 pm

paulsinnerchild wrote:
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Case 8 Alfred was brought by his mother in November, 1935 at 3 ½ years of age with this complaint:
“He has gradually shown a marked tendency towards developing one special interest which will completely dominate his day’s activities. He talks of little else while his interests exist, he frets when he is not able to indulge in it (by seeing it, coming in contact with it, drawing pictures of it), and it is difficult to get his attention because of his preoccupation …. There has been the problem of over attachment to the world of objects and failure to develop the usual amount of social awareness”

Alfred, upon entering the office, paid no attention to the examiner. He immediately spotted a train in the toy cabinet, took it out, and connected and disconnected the cars in a slow monotonous manner. He kept saying many times, More train – more train – more train. He repeatedly “counted” the cars windows – “One, two windows – one two windows – four window – eight windows.” He could not in any way be distracted from the trains. A Binet test was attempted in the room in which there were no trains. It was possible with much difficultly to pierce from time to time through his pre-occupations. He finally complied in most instances in a manner that clearly indicated that he wanted to get through with the particular intrusion.; this was repeated with each individual item of the task. In the end he achieved an I,Q. of 140

Leo Kanner


So what is the essential difference between Kanner Syndrome and Asperger Syndrome?
I do not think I got Alfred IQ score but I got a Kanner Syndrome diagnosis when I was 8.
It is because Kanners encompasses the whole spectrum whereas Aspergers usually only donotes cases from average to well above average intelligence? Or could Kanners be an obsolete version of Aspergers not on the list of DSM-IV Codes?


or in the degree in which the 'intruder' can 'pierce through his pre-occupations'?



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20 Aug 2007, 9:26 pm

With AS, he would have been more interested in his surroundings, and likely not been counting the windows like that. Of course, nobody said anything about his development either. the occupations and hyperfocus are apparently a part of autism. Still, Kanners allows for a bigger spread than aspergers.



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20 Aug 2007, 11:47 pm

I believe the 3 of you who have posted above know me well enough......I am quite certain I may be a true Kanner autistic and therefore not technically an Aspie. However, the demaracation between these diagnostic labels is blurry, if it in fact exists. The autistic spectrum is continuous, not discrete (from a mathematical perspective). This may be a moot point - interpretative. Due to my high genetic predisposition (greater than an order of magnitude higher) and neuroanatomy, I may be 'organically' autistic - unknown.

Do you think I am a Kanner autistic, in your opinion? I am just curious.......I do trust your assessment since 1) you (sort-of) know me 2) you are all knowledable in the intricate diagnostic connundrum 3) since you are too within the spectrum (ie: Aspies) you are therefore privy to an insider's perspective.

So, what do you think, within the realm of given data? What am I?


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20 Aug 2007, 11:56 pm

oh, goodness, LabPet,
I would have to actually sit in a room with you, you know. . actual being with you to check your behaviour out. I am not so sure I have ever met a Kanners, or a PDD, and I have only met two diagnosed Aspies in real time.

I am not sure, to me, anyone that can type and get on line is pretty high functioning.

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21 Aug 2007, 5:29 am

Labpet,

I think you said something once about speaking late, or something similar. You seem to be REALLY affected by meltdowns, etc... You seem to REALLY have a problem dealing with people and speaking. Based on that, I think kanners fits better. There are some exclusions on the DSM for AS that mention "clinically significant", and use other terms that are subjective though.

From what you say and certain things you have said, and I think I even saw you specify your IQ, you ARE very smart, and I am certainly not saying anything against you. BTW as Sinsboldly said, you ARE very HFA. As for the elective mutism, as I said before, I wish I could get away with that.



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21 Aug 2007, 6:27 pm

our research shows that asperger's disorder is a mild form of autism

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