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26 Aug 2007, 1:45 am

Article about Tim Page, New Yorker, August 20 2007 edition. Image
Get it while you can!

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007 ... table=true
Thank you New Yorker!

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26 Aug 2007, 1:54 am

I read that article a couple days ago. It made me laugh and nod quite a lot. It is beautifully written and I'm sure it will resonate with many here.



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26 Aug 2007, 2:23 am

Indeed, very nice :)

English speakers, what does this sentence mean?

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I apply Romain Rolland’s practical credo—“pessimism of the intelligence; optimism of the will”—to my aspirations


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26 Aug 2007, 2:46 am

Here is the original quote from Rolland, to which Page refers:

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What I especially love . . . is this intimate alliance—which for me makes the true man—of pessimism of the intelligence, which penetrates every illusion, and optimism of the will. It is this natural bravery that is the flower of a good people, which "does not need to hope to undertake and to succeed to persevere," but which lives in struggle over and above suffering, doubt, and the blasts of nothingness because his fiery life is the negation of death. And because his doubt itself, the French "What do I know?" becomes the weapon of hope, barring the road to discouragement and saying to his dreams of action and revolution: "Why not?"
Romain Rolland, review of R. Lefebvre's The Sacrifice of Abraham


Pues, creo entonces que lo que quiere decir Page... es aunque la consecuencia natural de nuestra forma de pensar (lógicamente, como somos aspies :wink: ) sea el pesimismo, no hay que capitular ante el desaliento sino que decidir a ser un optimista y continuar a dar lo mejor de sí mismo, a pesar de que las cosas a veces no tienen sentido. Que esta decision es hecho con mucho valor. En eso piensa Page, cuando piensa en sus aspiraciones.

Sorry if my Spanish is bad. :P I am out of practice.



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26 Aug 2007, 4:44 am

The article does resonate but it could have been better. Even though it is an autobiographical account of one man's unknown (until recently) struggle with autism, as a professional writer and critic, Tim Page ought to know how unattractive the pronoun "I" can be in any body of words. Obscure references do little to illuminate and much to irritate even when used as an elaborate metaphor to portray a mind that is fixedly obsessed on minutiae.

The book on autism has yet to be written but this article does take us one tiny step forward. Despite its flaws, I thank The New Yorker for its generosity.



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26 Aug 2007, 10:20 am

computerlove wrote:
Indeed, very nice :)

English speakers, what does this sentence mean?
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I apply Romain Rolland’s practical credo—“pessimism of the intelligence; optimism of the will”—to my aspirations


well, it's like a divorced person wanting to get married again. She knows intellectually of the pitfalls and problems, but wants a committed relationship.

Merle



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26 Aug 2007, 10:33 am

Zeno wrote:
Even though it is an autobiographical account of one man's unknown (until recently) struggle with autism, as a professional writer and critic, Tim Page ought to know how unattractive the pronoun "I" can be in any body of words.


In an autobiography, there's really no way of getting around it. It is his story, and he has the right to claim it as such. There are plenty of first person narratives that simply wouldn't work without "I." It's formal writing that you're supposed to avoid using that pronoun.

I liked it (although some of the references went over my head; I'm from another generation). I related to most of it, especially the piñatas.


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26 Aug 2007, 10:59 am

gwenevyn wrote:
Here is the original quote from Rolland, to which Page refers:

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What I especially love . . . is this intimate alliance—which for me makes the true man—of pessimism of the intelligence, which penetrates every illusion, and optimism of the will. It is this natural bravery that is the flower of a good people, which "does not need to hope to undertake and to succeed to persevere," but which lives in struggle over and above suffering, doubt, and the blasts of nothingness because his fiery life is the negation of death. And because his doubt itself, the French "What do I know?" becomes the weapon of hope, barring the road to discouragement and saying to his dreams of action and revolution: "Why not?"
Romain Rolland, review of R. Lefebvre's The Sacrifice of Abraham


Pues, creo entonces que lo que quiere decir Page... es aunque la consecuencia natural de nuestra forma de pensar (lógicamente, como somos aspies :wink: ) sea el pesimismo, no hay que capitular ante el desaliento sino que decidir a ser un optimista y continuar a dar lo mejor de sí mismo, a pesar de que las cosas a veces no tienen sentido. Que esta decision es hecho con mucho valor. En eso piensa Page, cuando piensa en sus aspiraciones.

Sorry if my Spanish is bad. :P I am out of practice.


¡Gracias Gwenevyn! ya me quedó claro, especialmente después de leer lo de "no necesita tener esperanza para emprender, ni tener éxito para perseverar"

ah, y Gracias Merle por el chistoso ejemplo :)
Thanks Merle for the funny example :P


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26 Aug 2007, 2:53 pm

Thank you Computerlove for posting the link! I enjoyed the story. And related to much of it.



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26 Aug 2007, 5:28 pm

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Meanwhile, the more kindly homeroom teachers, knowing that I would be tormented on the playground, permitted me to spend recess periods indoors, where I memorized vast portions of the 1961 edition of the World Book Encyclopedia.


Be still my heart. When I was a kid I would have fallen in love with anyone that memorized the Encyclopedia too. The whole story rings so true of my childhood. And yes my teachers let me stay inside at recess and memorize things because I was bullied on the playground.



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26 Aug 2007, 9:32 pm

What a great way to put asperger's into words. Hopefully it will be illuminating to nts. Its not really easy to explain asperger's to someone who doesnt have it. This is a rather good illustration.



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27 Aug 2007, 11:30 am

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I remember the deliberate decision to appropriate one teacher’s mischievous grin and darting eyes, which I found so charming that I thought they might work for me, too.

That was the part that got me. I couldn't even tell you where I've appropriated pieces of my personality, look, and mannerisms from, but they're mostly stolen from other people, and very quickly when I saw something I thought I "wanted" for myself.
The article, honestly, while I read many bits of it and nod, makes me realise I lucked out getting on the very low end of the spectrum, so much so that I read some bits and question whether my self-diagnosis is right, and then I'll skip onto the next paragraph and nod, and think "that's me," but I definitely think I had it easier. I think now, I need to learn to laugh about the report on the implications of modern genetics I handed in at school which was 5,500 words long (and gods, I had wanted to make it longer) when the assignment had had a limit of 1,500.
It's good stuff. My concern is that people will concentrate on what might be considered the more outrageous stuff, like wetting himself into his teens, which is really an aside to the genuine issues suffered, but may shock and become more of a focus than is warranted.


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