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Mw99
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11 Oct 2007, 9:42 pm

Some Aspergeans from this forum have described NTs as individuals who tend to make broad sweeping statements and often communicate their ideas even before they are done thinking them through. They have also been described as being illogical and emotional.

Those are sweeping generalizations.

The problem is that since some NTs are dumb, we have grown accustomed to associate NTs with idiots. Let's be logical and remember that not all NTs are dumb; some are actually very intelligent and can think logically.

(It's good to know that aspies, by definition, are not dumb.)



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11 Oct 2007, 9:52 pm

Mw99 wrote:
(It's good to know that aspies, by definition, are not dumb.)


Well, their IQs must be at least 85 (bottom of the normal range) anyway. It doesn't mean they're smart, though. And how does one qualify "dumb" anyway? Surely not just by a number on a standardized exam.

Edit: Actually, I just looked up the DSM-IV criteria, and I didn't notice any intelligence qualification. Am I missing something?



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11 Oct 2007, 9:55 pm

Who should we badmouth then? :wink:


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11 Oct 2007, 10:05 pm

Er, stupid question . . . but then again, I just joined. What does NT stand for?


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11 Oct 2007, 10:19 pm

When I refer to NT's, I'm usually refering to certain types but I don't express it that way. My guess is most people here when referring to NT's may not be talking about all NT's, just certain types or a percentage. However, I would prefer not to start saying "I think 16% of the NT population are...whatever."

The thing with me though is my problem is chances are the people who have been mean to me or made fun of me throughout my life are probably NT's, in general. So, when and if I do badmouth them, it's those people who come to my mind, or the ones who are just complete a-holes. In my opinion, it's justice, it makes me feel better. It's not nearly as bad as the way I've been treated by them. When the NT's who are a-holes stop being a-holes, I'll stop badmouthing them. For all I know, I could be badmouthing an Aspie who I think is an NT.



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11 Oct 2007, 10:27 pm

Mw99 - Yeah, that's basically what I said word for word.

And what I meant is that that is how it appears to me, being someone with AS. It's also how my psychologist described NT's... Maybe you should go picket outside her office, even though she's an NT.

I guess it was hard to take what I said out of context in the actual thread I posted in as people could just scroll up and see what else I said. So you started a new one.

In the thread in question I also said:

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Perhaps, because us Aspies are all on a big ol' spectrum, some of us have this NT sort of trait, thinking out loud, and some of us never speak up at all.


That was actually a reference for all the people giving you a hard time about speaking your mind and saying you're not AS. So I was sticking up for you. But I'm wondering now myself if I should have.

To say that I'm bad mouthing NT's for an observation that's personal opinion (and really, is not much of a criticism, though you seem to have taken it deeply to heart), when you're one of the people on this forum saying that AS would be better wiped out than allowed to continue.

Are you actually an NT who has just come to this forum to throw peanuts at what you see as freaks, or are you just a self-hating Aspie who wants everybody to loath themselves as much as you do? Either way, you seem to love manipulating situations to make yourself feel smart.

Because of that, AS or NT... I feel sorry for you.


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11 Oct 2007, 10:34 pm

Unknown_Quantity wrote:
Mw99 - Yeah, that's basically what I said word for word.

And what I meant is that that is how it appears to me, being someone with AS. It's also how my psychologist described NT's... Maybe you should go picket outside her office, even though she's an NT.

I guess it was hard to take what I said out of context in the actual thread I posted in as people could just scroll up and see what else I said. So you started a new one.

In the thread in question I also said:
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Perhaps, because us Aspies are all on a big ol' spectrum, some of us have this NT sort of trait, thinking out loud, and some of us never speak up at all.


That was actually a reference for all the people giving you a hard time about speaking your mind and saying you're not AS. So I was sticking up for you. But I'm wondering now myself if I should have.

To say that I'm bad mouthing NT's for an observation that's personal opinion (and really, is not much of a criticism, though you seem to have taken it deeply to heart), when you're one of the people on this forum saying that AS would be better wiped out than allowed to continue.

Are you actually an NT who has just come to this forum to throw peanuts at what you see as freaks, or are you just a self-hating Aspie who wants everybody to loath themselves as much as you do? Either way, you seem to love manipulating situations to make yourself feel smart.

Because of that, AS or NT... I feel sorry for you.


Unknown_Quantity, after reading your response to my comment, now I see why it was suggested I could be Aspergean. I did not mean to offend you and I apologize if I did. Please don't take my comment the wrong way.



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11 Oct 2007, 10:51 pm

If you are sincere in your apology, I accept it. But I'm less on your side now than I have been previously. That's unavoidable, I'm afraid.


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11 Oct 2007, 11:02 pm

mw99, you hate aspies don't you. Just come out and be blunt will ya? Let it all out. I need a new punching bag. You just might be that special punching bag. I've grown quite tired of your game.



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12 Oct 2007, 12:09 am

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Er, stupid question . . . but then again, I just joined. What does NT stand for?


NT = neurotypical, i.e. those without Asperger's/autism. Not a stupid question.

As for the badmouthing of NTs, I don't like it. While people with AS and those without are different in many ways, there is considerable overlap. Blanket statements and generalizations are always unfair to someone. I prefer to take things on a case by case basis. While I don't understand a lot of common NT behavior, I get that they don't understand me. Which is better? Who knows. I'm not trying to figure that out, I'm just trying to figure out how to live the best way I can in this world.


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12 Oct 2007, 12:41 am

LostInSpace wrote:
Edit: Actually, I just looked up the DSM-IV criteria, and I didn't notice any intelligence qualification. Am I missing something?


It's in there under the heading Diagnostic Features:

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Individuals with Asperger's Disorder do not have clinically significant delays in cognitive development or in age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood (Criterion E).


They lump those with mental retardation in with autistic disorder; 75% of those with AD have a subpar IQ as a child (it can improve).



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12 Oct 2007, 12:48 am

Mw99 wrote:

The problem is that since some NTs are dumb, we have grown accustomed to associate NTs with idiots.


speak for yourself. i only associate idiocy with idiots.

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12 Oct 2007, 1:24 am

Course, then if you're making categories of people, you also have to include the artsy NTs, which is just an entirely separate topic . . . and those I have almost no problem with (for the most part).


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12 Oct 2007, 1:26 am

Badmouthing NTs are is just an Aspie's an e



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12 Oct 2007, 1:27 am

Badmouthing NTs brings us down to their level.



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12 Oct 2007, 2:05 am

I guess we're just more sensitive to poor logic and unfounded conclusions and get more easily annoyed by it. The 'jumping-to-conclusion' is, I believe, an NT trait that links to their increased 'central coherence'.

LostInSpace wrote:
Actually, I just looked up the DSM-IV criteria, and I didn't notice any intelligence qualification. Am I missing something?


No, IQ just has no part in any of the ASD diagnoses, but with Asperger's Syndrome there must not be a delay in language and cognitive development at the age of 2.

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Er, stupid question . . . but then again, I just joined. What does NT stand for?


Neuro-Typical - basically all the people without the neurological differences suspected to underly PDD's. See also Institute for the study of the Neurologically Typical.