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12 Oct 2007, 10:39 am

I managed to out-Aspie myself by forgetting the salutation at the start of my intro post. Included it at the end, 'cos something told me that was required. But then I starting thinking about the world "hello". What is the etymology of that? I mean "hell-o". Expressing surprise to find another in the same boat?

I recall reading somewhere that delayed verbal development may be a sign of AS. This has kept me away from a self-diagnosis. According to my mother, I was articulating fully formed sentences by the age of 18 months - well in advance of schedule.

On the other hand, none of that eloquence helped on the playground when kids burst into spontaneous play around me. And we think we're aliens?



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12 Oct 2007, 10:46 am

I think it's the same with my reading ability from a young age. Language, in technical terms, is really a mechanical activity. Knowing words and constructing sentences all derive from algorithms, not unlike math, which are both things that computers and robots can do. Similarly, autistics or AS people wouldn't have a problem with that. However, if you are trying to use language in a way that conveys a meaning that everyone else gets or that conforms to society, that might be a different story. I think it's in how we use our words. And of course, you don't need to articulate to other kids what you're feeling or thinking when you're on a playground. Everyone will probably just be smiling and having fun, laughing and shouting, and chasing each other around. It's an unspoken enjoyable activity that most kids engage in, and I suppose that's why we don't get it; it's a social thing that's unspoken.

As for my reading ability, I learned to read from a young age, and read many books. I didn't read the books because I liked getting excited or feeling emotional about the story or the characters. I read them because I liked drawing words from my brain and making use of it in "decoding" the words on the page. The story itself might have meant little to me.


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12 Oct 2007, 10:46 am

Don't feel bad... I was talking and reading in under 24 months but there is no doubt I'm an aspie. That's why it's a spectrum disorder with criteria that you need to meet a certain number of to qualify. Everyone of us shares certain experiences but we're all individuals and don't share ALL experiences equally.



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12 Oct 2007, 10:51 am

Sapphix wrote:
But then I starting thinking about the world "hello". What is the etymology of that? I mean "hell-o".


There's a bit here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello

I've also heard that "good-bye" is a contraction of "God be wi'ye" (God be with you). Honestly, I tend to be more interested in the etymology of words with clear Latin or Greek roots though, because those you can actually figure out. Random historical oddities don't tend to interest me as much.



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12 Oct 2007, 10:53 am

You'd think that would be easy, considering English is 65% Latin and probably 15% Greek. Latin a dead language my ass.


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12 Oct 2007, 10:55 am

Language as a mechanical activity? That makes sense. Perhaps you, Angelus-Mortis, would be able to crack Curry's Paradox that I posted somewhere else here - in the philosophy discussion forum?



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12 Oct 2007, 11:02 am

I'm not sure delayed verbal development is an absolute when coming to a diagnosis. If I remember correctly, from the stuff I've read, there is no delay in verbal development as part of diagnosis. There is conflicting information out there to be sure.

I wouldn't let that one piece that is missing keep you from a diagnosis. Autism/Asperger's is a spectrum so you may or may not have the same "symptoms" or the same severity of said symptoms as someone else.



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12 Oct 2007, 11:22 am

Angelus-Mortis wrote:
You'd think that would be easy, considering English is 65% Latin and probably 15% Greek. Latin a dead language my ass.



Umm, basically Germanic. With Latin grammar rules imposed on it by the Brits, who were bored....



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12 Oct 2007, 11:24 am

Sapphix wrote:
I managed to out-Aspie myself by forgetting the salutation at the start of my intro post. Included it at the end, 'cos something told me that was required. But then I starting thinking about the world "hello". What is the etymology of that? I mean "hell-o". Expressing surprise to find another in the same boat?

I recall reading somewhere that delayed verbal development may be a sign of AS. This has kept me away from a self-diagnosis. According to my mother, I was articulating fully formed sentences by the age of 18 months - well in advance of schedule.

On the other hand, none of that eloquence helped on the playground when kids burst into spontaneous play around me. And we think we're aliens?


My understanding is that there is no speech delay in Asperger's, and that is what differentiates it from HFA. I was quite ahead of the game verbally, my struggles came with social, motor and sensory issues. Still do.

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12 Oct 2007, 11:25 am

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I'm not sure delayed verbal development is an absolute when coming to a diagnosis. If I remember correctly, from the stuff I've read, there is no delay in verbal development as part of diagnosis. There is conflicting information out there to be sure.

I wouldn't let that one piece that is missing keep you from a diagnosis. Autism/Asperger's is a spectrum so you may or may not have the same "symptoms" or the same severity of said symptoms as someone else.


I believe it was Autism that had the verbal delay as a signpost. Not Asperger's.



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12 Oct 2007, 11:55 am

That's what I was trying to get across. Everything I've read so far about Asperger's had said there was no verbal delay. Autism, yes. Asperger's, no.



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12 Oct 2007, 3:26 pm

I've seen alot of Aspies on this site mention speaking early.


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12 Oct 2007, 3:56 pm

sonny1471 wrote:
I'm not sure delayed verbal development is an absolute when coming to a diagnosis. If I remember correctly, from the stuff I've read, there is no delay in verbal development as part of diagnosis. There is conflicting information out there to be sure.



Yeah, from what I've read, the delayed language stuff only has to do with people who are autistic, not those who are aspies.


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12 Oct 2007, 4:58 pm

Sapphix wrote:
I managed to out-Aspie myself by forgetting the salutation at the start of my intro post. Included it at the end, 'cos something told me that was required. But then I starting thinking about the world "hello". What is the etymology of that? I mean "hell-o". Expressing surprise to find another in the same boat?

I recall reading somewhere that delayed verbal development may be a sign of AS. This has kept me away from a self-diagnosis. According to my mother, I was articulating fully formed sentences by the age of 18 months - well in advance of schedule.

On the other hand, none of that eloquence helped on the playground when kids burst into spontaneous play around me. And we think we're aliens?


You have that backwards. ADVANCED linguistic progression is supposed to be part of AS. BTW I was speaking by 9-10 months! And my mother said she could understand everything. And HECK, she was an english teacher. If I did something wrong SHE LET ME KNOW!



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12 Oct 2007, 6:28 pm

Thanks all for clearing up that misconception.