The Attack of the Trolls has begun......

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RobertN
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07 Aug 2005, 4:46 pm

:twisted: :twisted: I decided today to launch an attack on the AS Partners forum, which contains derrogatory comments about people with AS.

I made this decision based on encouraging comments from people on the "Trolling" forum.

Disguised as a female NT charity worker I made a civil, but mildly aggressive post, which they have censored. I posted at 3pm, but they have refused to validate the post, so members cannot see what I had to say. I have sent a second post just now, saying that if they do not validate my first post by 12 Noon tomorrow, I will consider them too cowardly to engage in open debate with me about Aspergers.

Basically it is a load of bitchy women slagging off their AS relatives, and I felt compelled to act.

Here is the link so you can see for yourselves:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/ASPartners/start

I would encourage people to launch their own attacks. Aspie pride is at stake, comrades!! !



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07 Aug 2005, 5:07 pm

It's hard to attack a forum that screens every post before putting it up, short of hacking it, anyway. Unless you are really good at underhanded posts.



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07 Aug 2005, 5:16 pm

I dont think trolling or hijacking other sites will help the reputation of aspies in any way. People have different opinions on things. They might have some views that are very distasteful to most of us but to cyberstalk these people will only reafirm their mistaken view that aspies are little dictators that cant accept different views from their own.



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07 Aug 2005, 5:33 pm

eamonn wrote:
I dont think trolling or hijacking other sites will help the reputation of aspies in any way. People have different opinions on things. They might have some views that are very distasteful to most of us but to cyberstalk these people will only reafirm their mistaken view that aspies are little dictators that cant accept different views from their own.


I agree...I would not like if if those with views different than ours attacked our site. It dosn't make us look good at all.



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07 Aug 2005, 6:07 pm

No trollling on other forums.


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07 Aug 2005, 6:09 pm

alex wrote:
No trollling on other forums.


ALex has spoken.



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07 Aug 2005, 6:56 pm

Yay for trolling forums of evil and doom!


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07 Aug 2005, 6:58 pm

Yeah, well, if i can't hack their site and tell them that their neo-nazi views are offensive to us, then i'll just handle it a different way (draws Master Sword)


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07 Aug 2005, 6:59 pm

Sarcastic_Name wrote:
Yay for trolling forums of evil and doom!


You are well named.


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07 Aug 2005, 8:04 pm

I am somewhat surprised at the vitriol and venom expressed by some of the people on that other forum. Tempting as it might seem, trying to stifle their freedom of speech is not really the answer.

On the basis of what I have read on there, it seems that relationships that have turned acrimonious, bitter and sour that happen - most likely happenstantially - to feature AS/ASD as a piece in the jigsaw puzzle sees the fact of AS/ASD being built up as the defining problem, rather than being merely one aspect of the situation.

Relationships like that, which can end in severe and bitter acrimony often entails a long and extended battle based on acrimony, mutual resentment and loathing. It seems to me that on the basis of what I have read so far the 'AS/ASD Card' is being played as a 'bargaining chip' - a means of bolstering personal resentment and a means of 'explaining the problem' for entirely legal-based reasons, in order to sway the sentiments of the Court in the favour of the non-AS appellant.

In the context of a Court case around matters of Family Discord (as well as apportioning of assets, liabilities, etc), the 'charge' of being AS/ASD is being used as a synonym (or symbolic link, if you're into Linux), for 'cold-hearted unemotional sociopath'. While most reasonable people will realise that this is not the case and that people with AS/ASD are capable of having emotions, an egotistical, self-serving and manipulative Histrionic Personality who likes to over-emote and to play the centre of attention (usually by pretending to be the victim), may very well attempt to manipulate sentiment towards the sort of conclusion that positions the other party as being 'the villain of the peace', or the 'bad guy' in classic terminology.

Such attempts at manipulation would of course, require the pliant acquiescence of a spineless judge, but this so often appears to be the case. I read on there, of one complaint concerning a hard working father who was enthusiastic about his work, very committed to learning how to do his job better and earn promotion; all good things that many families would be proud of. In the hands of a scheming manipulator who could 'use' the AS/ASD factor against the father, these desirable attributes (far better than being a 'beer monster' in the bars all evening), are turned against the father perhaps with a view towards issues around 'child maintenance', divorce settlements, maintenance or 'palimoney' as they call it in other countries.



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07 Aug 2005, 8:45 pm

Trolling is unnecessary as swearing.
My mom always said swearing was a strategy of people who didn't have the resoures to manage their interactions.
I always thought that responding with logic was the best way to defeat people engaged in venemous attacks on others.
Not sure trolling isn't the same behavior.


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07 Aug 2005, 9:47 pm

I look at the AS Partners forums occasionally. It makes me angry.



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08 Aug 2005, 3:21 am

They will die a horrible, flaming death.


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08 Aug 2005, 3:50 am

alex wrote:
No trollling on other forums.

While Alex can't control what you do when you are not on this site, just be very careful not to let anybody know you are a member WP and do not make any other reference to WP at all during your trolling/flame wars. You do not have Alex's blessing (whether that is his heartfelt opinion or an official anti-liability statement is unknown) and the members here would not be happy if WP was implicated in your vandetta, regardless of how worthy of a cause it may be. :twisted:



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08 Aug 2005, 3:54 am

Or instead you can try and tempt them into insulting the Triads in such a way that it causes them to go after the person who insulted the Triads.

PS: I do not have a problem with the Triads. They are wonderful people. Just please do not kill me if anyone here is a Triad! I am not worthy!


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08 Aug 2005, 5:11 am

Having read more of That Forum, it seems that the charge of AS against their partners are often circumstanatial and not based on formal dx. This could well mean that at least some of the partners do not in fact have AS. This would imply that there were other 'explanations' for the discord in the relationship.

This does not help the reputation of AS or people with it of course, quite the revers since it puts other (perhaps diagnosable?) conditions in with AS in the minds of those in that forum and leads to misleading and inaccurate perceptions about what AS really is.

Since the field of inquiry has been opened up to allow for conditions other than AS, I cannot help but notice that the Histrionic Social Gadfly wives are more caught up in instant appeasement and gratifications of their infantile emotional needs, that they appear unable to relate to their husbands properly. I say 'husband', but of course I mean that it could be 'wife' too.

After reading a lot of that forum, I think that maybe some of the posters there might have problems of their own which are nothing to do with the alleged 'deficits' of the other partner.