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Roman
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06 Oct 2007, 2:31 am

I know we all want to say that we, at least somewhat, succeed in overcomming some of our difficulties related to Asperger. Indeed, we find more and more comfortable "corners" for ourselves as we learn some strategies we didn't know before, as we meet new people that "somewhat" different from the ones we met before.

But lets sit back and realize we are not the only ones who do that. I have a video of a bunch of animals, all of which are still alive, and they all successfully move around and occasionally you will find them finding more comfortable nitches for themselves. Even though they are supposed to be dying, what you will find is that occasionally they "get better" and start walking like normal for a while. So, they too, think they are making progress in struggling against their illness. So what is your opinion? Will they stay alive? (see the video over here )

So, don't you think we are similar to these animals? Just like they are twisting around and from time to time finding comfortable nitches, so do we in society. So why not just be honest and say we are a failure and just don't want to admit it.



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06 Oct 2007, 4:08 am

Asperger's is a double-edged sword. Sure, it gives you great abilities within your interests, but you pay a high price for it. Most of the people on this message board makes the most of their condition, however. Asperger's syndrome also makes us who we are ...



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06 Oct 2007, 5:16 am

You might be a failure. I'm not.
Why do people say "honest" when they mean "negative" ?


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06 Oct 2007, 7:01 am

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06 Oct 2007, 7:21 am

Roman wrote:
...we are a failure and just don't want to admit it.


Define success.



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06 Oct 2007, 7:22 am

Well said Who-am-I :wink: My child is no failure either. I would take 10 of my son over 1 nt child of the same age any day. :P



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06 Oct 2007, 7:41 am

Failure is only relative and we shouldn't be downhearted by getting things out of perspective.
Even if anyone is honest enough to recognise they've failed in some way,you could say that makes them successful in terms of being an honest and down to earth person.Everyone can be successful in their own way depending on their circumstances.


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06 Oct 2007, 9:43 am

I am me, I have never been anybody else, and as I have honestly always tried to be the best, most honorable and honest person I can be (because those are the values I respect) I quite like me...

That is honestly all I know.

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06 Oct 2007, 10:34 am

Roman wrote:
we are a failure and just don't want to admit it.


Not so. Proof - Bill Gates, Albert Einstein... wouldn't exactly call these people failures.

Yes that's a bit simplistic of me... but I'm using this as an example of saying - look what these people have done... they've done some immense things.

In terms of non famous aspies/auties and other aspects of life such as social/intimacy, we can overcome that...

These concepts are not impossible to breach for us... I for one am doing a pretty fine job socially atm... it may not look fine on the surface, but I'm happy see... I will give off positive vibes. I find myself in one of them - I'll admit - uncommon situations where if I express an interest in wanting to go on a night out with a few mates or something this won't be hard to achieve.

As for intimacy: -
I don't care too much atm lol. I know I know... this is a rare feeling...
But I find myself on good form... I'll admit I'm very fortunate to be able to remain happy even with minimal stuff happening.
I do find myself in a position of possible success in this area atm... if I keep up this kind of character through the years, I will further breach these borders.

Mate, aspie's hopes aren't shattered. We are an intelligent, well functioning kind. We do stumble on bad luck an awful lot... we will fail a lot of times... but then so do most people in the world - most people will fail many times.

I made a quote to help me through such dark prospects :D it's this - "Strength is best served through defeat" Similar to the "What doesn't kill us makes us stronger" but with a distinctly different feel to it.


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06 Oct 2007, 12:14 pm

alex wrote:
Graphic images of people or animals being harmed is prohibited by the WP rules so I've removed the link.


Yeah, but what I have posted is a link to slaughter that happens in daily basis on 100+ kosher slaughter facilities in USA. So since it is nothign unusual why not post it? I mean by not posting it it won't go away.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:36 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
You might be a failure. I'm not.



Well at least I am a failure. Whether it comes to school or relationships I find myself twisting around like these animals do, and from time to time deceive myself into doing "somewhat" better than before (juts like these animals from time to time would be able to stand on their feet "somewhat" longer than before) and then fail again which is no surprise since I knew all alone there was no profound change I was just not wanting to admit I simply can't do it, period.

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Why do people say "honest" when they mean "negative" ?


Because for the past few years I was actively trying to deceive myself that I was doing better than before. Like path 2 is better than path 1. Thne path 2 didn't work, so I go back to path 1 and say path 1 is better than path 2. Which is a contradiction, how could they both be better than each toher?

In other words, everythign I thought for the past few years was NOT honest becaues I was trying desperately to convince myself I did better which I didn't. Thats why right now I am using the word HONEST, because now for the first time in my life I stopped lying to myself the way I used to.



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06 Oct 2007, 1:13 pm

I agree with "why do people say honest when they mean negative?"

Life with Asperger's isn't easy sometimes, but I wouldn't trade the gifts it comes with to become NT. I have nothing against NTs, I'm just saying that I like and accept who I am and I wouldn't want to change me. Everyone has struggles. AS defines what some of ours are going to be, but that's about it.

I'm not a failure. Maybe you are, but I'm certainly not. Nor is my husband who also has AS, or my daughter. Viewpoints like yours can be setbacks for those questioning themselves already. Whatever hand your dealt in life, life is ultimately what you make of it.

It sure is a controversial post day here at WP :lol:


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06 Oct 2007, 1:23 pm

Roman wrote:
So why not just be honest and say we are a failure and just don't want to admit it.


I don't want to give up. I may have those times when I just want to dig a hole and crawl into it but I just don't want to stay there.

I'm trying to learn how to make quirks work for you instead of against you. When I have a success story, I'll share but until then, if life is kicking your butt, come up with alternative methods if you can. I think this whole comformity scheme is just so that people around us can feel better about themselves. They are surrounded by the comfort of familiarity. Are you?



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06 Oct 2007, 11:22 pm

Roman: thank you for giving an honest answer to my question, and for not being offended by it.


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06 Oct 2007, 11:31 pm

[quote="aa"]Well said Who-am-I :wink: My child is no failure either. I would take 10 of my son over 1 nt child of the same age any day. :P[/quo

A agree!! ! My daughter is not into drugs or any of that crap!! ! She loves names, politics, and other innocent things



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06 Oct 2007, 11:39 pm

You know, when I was younger I really wanted so badly to fit into NT society. I made myself miserable because it seemed no matter how hard I tried to fit in I was still on the outside looking in. At about eighteen I said fark it and started concentrating on being ME. Over the past couple of years I've come to realise that my Tourette's (and possibly Aspergers too) is part of what makes me who I am. And despite my problems, and the failures I feel I have, I still like being me.