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14 Oct 2007, 5:15 am

I dare not say the D word (disorder) but it is most definitely a twist and disconnect in the neurotransmitters that make up the human personality and CAN be corrected from the inside out. I'm currently working on the re-connecting and untwistings - and if anyone else is interested in forming a think tank that would involve a wholistic approach to repatterning the psyche, let's connect and work on this!


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14 Oct 2007, 11:57 am

i dont think you can unlearn aspergers, i dont think its a disorder though just a different way of brain functioning


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14 Oct 2007, 12:29 pm

richardbenson wrote:
i dont think you can unlearn aspergers, i dont think its a disorder though just a different way of brain functioning


A different way of brain function which renders one deficient in any capacity is usually considered - dis-ordered as opposed to orderly function.....


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14 Oct 2007, 12:49 pm

I think that one can learn to deal better with the deficits that come from Asperger's. Non-verbal communication is difficult for those with Asperger's, but careful observation of others and reading books about the meaning of facial expressions and postures have helped me to improve in this area. Some of the comorbid psychological conditions that are associated with Asperger's, like social anxiety/phobia and depression, can be corrected through therapy or medication, or they may correct themselves naturally. Monotone speaking can be corrected through public speaking lessons.

However, Asperger's is much more than a few social deficits. Asperger's is an entire brain configuration which produces an entirely different way of thinking and feeling. Learning a few skills doesn't change that. A person with Asperger's will always be different from the NT's around them, and will probably be unable to hide the fact of their difference. Trying to think and feel like an NT only leads to failure and misery - I know this from personal experience.

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A different way of brain function which renders one deficient in any capacity is usually considered - dis-ordered as opposed to orderly function.....


By this definition, everyone is disordered, because everyone's brain function renders them deficient in some capacity.



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14 Oct 2007, 1:20 pm

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I think that one can learn to deal better with the deficits that come from Asperger's. Non-verbal communication is difficult for those with Asperger's, but careful observation of others and reading books about the meaning of facial expressions and postures have helped me to improve in this area. Some of the comorbid psychological conditions that are associated with Asperger's, like social anxiety/phobia and depression, can be corrected through therapy or medication, or they may correct themselves naturally. Monotone speaking can be corrected through public speaking lessons.

However, Asperger's is much more than a few social deficits. Asperger's is an entire brain configuration which produces an entirely different way of thinking and feeling. Learning a few skills doesn't change that. A person with Asperger's will always be different from the NT's around them, and will probably be unable to hide the fact of their difference. Trying to think and feel like an NT only leads to failure and misery - I know this from personal experience.

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A different way of brain function which renders one deficient in any capacity is usually considered - dis-ordered as opposed to orderly function.....


By this definition, everyone is disordered, because everyone's brain function renders them deficient in some capacity.


Sure you can train the mind to *act* in a certain way - and that may or may not cause chemical reactions, which lay down the foundation for new behavior modes. This happens usually when the *acting* becomes entrenched in the heart and mind, when the *acting* starts becoming something you really care about. Then the change is lasting. It goes from habit to *part and parcel of who you are*. That is change. However change doesn't insure a cure or complete healing. For this to occur the most radical of approaches must be incorporated into daily living via brain, body and mind. It's a more wholistic approach where intercession is made on a higher vibrational level, new openings made and awareness of self is introduced into the healing paradigm together with belief and unshakable faith that a complete healing is possible and achievable. All of these actions turn dormant neurotransmitters on - such as those that have to do with empathy, compassion, love, altruism and they in turn open others, like gateways.

As for all people being deficient/disordered. I don't think this is the case at all. A person who is able to unconditionally love, give and receive, can never be considered deficient - as they are always happy and content with what they have.


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14 Oct 2007, 1:24 pm

SO is this why I can be successful but unable to connect with 99% of the folks out there and can pass a course but not be able to feel the way the rest in the class di and I had great physical difficulty doing so? I never encountered a physically challenging thing in my life till this course. Everything has always been easy...except dealing with and socializing with peers I was always an outcast...I don't want to be....there is no fixing this? Sometimes it is worse than others and usually when I am stressed .



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14 Oct 2007, 1:34 pm

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SO is this why I can be successful but unable to connect with 99% of the folks out there and can pass a course but not be able to feel the way the rest in the class di and I had great physical difficulty doing so? I never encountered a physically challenging thing in my life till this course. Everything has always been easy...except dealing with and socializing with peers I was always an outcast...I don't want to be....there is no fixing this? Sometimes it is worse than others and usually when I am stressed .


It is fixable. It is a matter of repatterning the mind via thought, speech and action all which have the ability to change the mind and restore order. It's a process of undoing by doing.


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14 Oct 2007, 1:44 pm

WOW! You saw JAMIE last friday, DIDN'T YOU! :lol:

NOPE, I guess we are stuck with what we have!



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14 Oct 2007, 1:50 pm

It has to do with the way neurons are connected in the brain. It may also be related to the structure of the myelin sheath covering the nerves. These can't be undone by changing habits, but you can develop coping habits and skills to make getting along with other people easier. Go for it.


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14 Oct 2007, 1:51 pm

I don't understand your posts? So I should keep challenging myself in these situations? Does anyone need to be aware of my painfully obvious quirk? Or should I let em believe I am nuts?



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14 Oct 2007, 2:13 pm

The only challenge is getting along as well as you can with the people around you. Avoid the jerks and take the nonjerks' comments as feedback and do what you can with it. Also make time to be by yourself and have something you can do to decompress and relax.


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14 Oct 2007, 2:19 pm

jjstar wrote:
I dare not say the D word (disorder) but it is most definitely a twist and disconnect in the neurotransmitters that make up the human personality and CAN be corrected from the inside out. I'm currently working on the re-connecting and untwistings - and if anyone else is interested in forming a think tank that would involve a wholistic approach to repatterning the psyche, let's connect and work on this!


Don't accidentally reconnect the ones that make you talented. That would be worse.

I deal with the communication problem quite fine by memorizing stuff everyone feels, and talking to friends who understand other people. Although they're usually hard to find.


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14 Oct 2007, 3:24 pm

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I don't understand your posts? So I should keep challenging myself in these situations? Does anyone need to be aware of my painfully obvious quirk? Or should I let em believe I am nuts?


The repatterning is basically writing a new script and drawing a new map and the thoughts are the first channel through and via the new energy flows to the others - so that if you watch your thoughts, turning the negatives into positives, this resets the hormonal output, creating new pathways (gateways) which will then influence speech and actions. So instead of using words like *painfully obvious quirk* you begin thinking *my greatest asset and gift* and instead of thinking about them and what they're thinking you keep the focus on you and how this new process is strengthening you, and making you more resilient.......and capping that off with gratitude......will begin your repatterning. The rest, takes care of itself - i.e. your entire reality - life - also begins to change - in a ripple effect.

Does it sound easy? Because it's not...it's going against your inherent nature to act against impulse.


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14 Oct 2007, 3:25 pm

Being confident in who I am and my habits is the best feeling ever and it leaves room to work on interracting with other people better. When you accept who you are you can moreso deal with learning little social tricks. If we didn't have eccentric people in the world it would be pretty boring.



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14 Oct 2007, 3:27 pm

MysteryFan3 wrote:
The only challenge is getting along as well as you can with the people around you. Avoid the jerks and take the nonjerks' comments as feedback and do what you can with it. Also make time to be by yourself and have something you can do to decompress and relax.


~*~ keeping that in mind ~*~


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14 Oct 2007, 3:31 pm

I wouldn't consider Aspie-traits something that need be corrected. Only correction necessary is any negativity we hold onto about them. You can let go of negativity with a simple decision to do so. And, provided that I'm not harming anyone (including myself), then my quirks are simply that - harmless, quite possibly even useful, variances in the way I approach / solve problems to the majority. Besides, I don't think that we have mental difficulty, for the most part. Its primarily emotional difficulties that cause us discomfort.