23 Oct 2007, 9:38 am
23 Oct 2007, 9:39 am
23 Oct 2007, 9:40 am
LOL. There is no cure and no eradication of any disease as a result of vaccination. You can't vaccinate the entire universe and all organisms. You can't cull all the animals on earth carrying deadly viruses, you can't stop AIDS, SARS, West Nile or cancer. The death sentences are out there - and no one can stop them by means of *modern science*. The entire approach is wrong and faulty at its basis.
Yeah, just like we couldn't stop smallpox, oh wait, that's being kept alive in government labs, ready to be released back upon the world when we least expect it! muahmuah!
Personally, I think we are well covered by the number of conspiracy theorists and government cynics in todays society, enough for me to feel happy just being paranoid about the more personal, relevant, day to day issues that many of us with AS have, what we come here to discuss in fact, you know, seeking solace in familiarity?
I'm not sure what good any of this speculation does anyone, other than just being entertainment for some I guess.
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23 Oct 2007, 9:41 am
LOL. There is no cure and no eradication of any disease as a result of vaccination. You can't vaccinate the entire universe and all organisms. You can't cull all the animals on earth carrying deadly viruses, you can't stop AIDS, SARS, West Nile or cancer. The death sentences are out there - and no one can stop them by means of *modern science*. The entire approach is wrong and faulty at its basis.
Yeah, just like we couldn't stop Small Box, oh wait, that's being kept alive in government labs, ready to be released back upon the world when we least expect it! muahmuah!
Personally, I think we are well covered by the number of conspiracy theorists and government cynics in todays society, enough for me to feel happy just being paranoid about the more personal, relevant, day to day issues that many of us with AS have, what we come here to discuss in fact, you know, seeking solace in familiarity?
I'm not sure what good any of this speculation does anyone, other than just being entertainment for some I guess.
23 Oct 2007, 9:48 am
23 Oct 2007, 9:49 am
23 Oct 2007, 11:30 am
Now now, if you can't play nicely with the others GOCHE21, you're going to have to sit in the corner for a *time out*. Then I'm going to call your mommy and tell her what a bad, bad boy you've been. You wouldn't like that would you now?
Right.
Where were we before that rude interruption?
I guess I'd rather smell like a battering ram than be led like a lamb to the slaughter.
You've been led to the slaughter. You're so desperate to find these conspiracies that you trust nothing the government says or does. We've all admited that medine and government aren't perfect, but that it's the best we've got. You insist that they're always wrong, and always evil. Nothing in always wrong and evil! Now I've asked you again and again, what would you do to protect children for disease without medine?[/quote]
23 Oct 2007, 11:32 am
Glad you're laughing. Does wonders for the intenstines and liver in general. So again, whose sockpuppet are you - just as a refresher...?
23 Oct 2007, 11:35 am
23 Oct 2007, 11:41 am
What happens when you follow your leaders blindly and put faith in the men in white. Oh boy.. 
Nigeria: No Regret Over Drug Test - Pfizer
Leadership (Abuja)
Posted to the web 23 October 2007
Pfizer, the pharmaceutical company in the centre of a clinical test scandal, has shown that it has no regret for allegedly administering an untested and unregistered drug on about 200 children in Kano State in 1996, leading to their death.
Also the federal government has, in a motion ex-parte, got the leave of a Federal High Court in Abuja to amend its writ of summons.
Mr. Ezedi Udom, head, media relations speciality to Pfizer, said in a press release in Abuja yesterday that Pfizer stands by the results of the clinical trial of the drug Trovaflosacin and will vigorously defend it in court.
According to him, the company conducted the study in the midst of the ravaging epidemic, believing that Trovan would prove to be a safe and effective alternative to conventional methods of treating the meningitis epidemic .
Pfizer has already filed a statement of defence in the Kano State civil case.
The company maintains that in conducting the Trovan clinical trial in 1996, its long-term goal was to test a life-saving antibiotic that could be used effectively in a meningitis epidemic in developing countries.
Pfizer states that before conducting the study, it had obtained all necessary approvals from relevant federal and Kano State government agencies in Nigeria.
Mr. Udom added that at the time of the 1996 clinical trials in Kano, Trovan was in the late-stage development and had been tested on more than 5,000 patients on both oral and intravenous forms.
He explained that those studies demonstrated Trovan to be effective against several types of bacteria known to cause meningitis, to have excellent activity against all meningitis pathogens and to penetrate very well into the cerebrospinal fluid to effectively treat meningitis.
Pfizer contends that many of the allegations in all of the federal and civil cases are rooted in a never officially released government report that Pfizer contends is unconstitutional.
At yesterday's sitting, after hearing submissions, counsel to the federal government, Mr. Babantude Irukere, Justice Babs Kuemi granted a motion ex-parte to the federal government to amend its writ of summon by including Neimeth International Pharmaceutical Plc to replace Pfizer Nigeria.
The matter has been adjourned to December 4, 2007 for mention.
The federal government is asking the court to award $700 billion damages against the pharmaceutical firm.Relevant Links
At the previous sitting, the court gave the federal government the nod to issue writ of summons on Pfizer Incorporated and four other companies outside Nigeria by courier.
But Pfizer, according to Udom, contends that the investigative committee that produced the report "acted in excess of its powers"and denied the company the opportunity to hear the testimony of witnesses or to cross-examine them.
Last July, Pfizer filed a motion at a Federal High Court in Abuja seeking to quash the government's report.
Copyright © 2007 Leadership. All rights reserved.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200710230255.html
Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters
23 Oct 2007, 11:42 am
Right.
Where were we before that rude interruption?
I guess I'd rather smell like a battering ram than be led like a lamb to the slaughter.
You've been led to the slaughter. You're so desperate to find these conspiracies that you trust nothing the government says or does. We've all admited that medine and government aren't perfect, but that it's the best we've got. You insist that they're always wrong, and always evil. Nothing in always wrong and evil! Now I've asked you again and again, what would you do to protect children for disease without medine?
That's not answering my question.
How old are you?
23 Oct 2007, 11:48 am
23 Oct 2007, 11:52 am
Nigeria: No Regret Over Drug Test - Pfizer
Leadership (Abuja)
Posted to the web 23 October 2007
Pfizer, the pharmaceutical company in the centre of a clinical test scandal, has shown that it has no regret for allegedly administering an untested and unregistered drug on about 200 children in Kano State in 1996, leading to their death.
Also the federal government has, in a motion ex-parte, got the leave of a Federal High Court in Abuja to amend its writ of summons.
Mr. Ezedi Udom, head, media relations speciality to Pfizer, said in a press release in Abuja yesterday that Pfizer stands by the results of the clinical trial of the drug Trovaflosacin and will vigorously defend it in court.
According to him, the company conducted the study in the midst of the ravaging epidemic, believing that Trovan would prove to be a safe and effective alternative to conventional methods of treating the meningitis epidemic .
Pfizer has already filed a statement of defence in the Kano State civil case.
The company maintains that in conducting the Trovan clinical trial in 1996, its long-term goal was to test a life-saving antibiotic that could be used effectively in a meningitis epidemic in developing countries.
Pfizer states that before conducting the study, it had obtained all necessary approvals from relevant federal and Kano State government agencies in Nigeria.
Mr. Udom added that at the time of the 1996 clinical trials in Kano, Trovan was in the late-stage development and had been tested on more than 5,000 patients on both oral and intravenous forms.
He explained that those studies demonstrated Trovan to be effective against several types of bacteria known to cause meningitis, to have excellent activity against all meningitis pathogens and to penetrate very well into the cerebrospinal fluid to effectively treat meningitis.
Pfizer contends that many of the allegations in all of the federal and civil cases are rooted in a never officially released government report that Pfizer contends is unconstitutional.
At yesterday's sitting, after hearing submissions, counsel to the federal government, Mr. Babantude Irukere, Justice Babs Kuemi granted a motion ex-parte to the federal government to amend its writ of summon by including Neimeth International Pharmaceutical Plc to replace Pfizer Nigeria.
The matter has been adjourned to December 4, 2007 for mention.
The federal government is asking the court to award $700 billion damages against the pharmaceutical firm.Relevant Links
At the previous sitting, the court gave the federal government the nod to issue writ of summons on Pfizer Incorporated and four other companies outside Nigeria by courier.
But Pfizer, according to Udom, contends that the investigative committee that produced the report "acted in excess of its powers"and denied the company the opportunity to hear the testimony of witnesses or to cross-examine them.
Last July, Pfizer filed a motion at a Federal High Court in Abuja seeking to quash the government's report.
Copyright © 2007 Leadership. All rights reserved.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200710230255.html
Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters
Nigeria. I suppose next you'll bring up the Nazi testing on the Jewish? Or the human testing in the 1800's?
23 Oct 2007, 11:57 am
23 Oct 2007, 11:59 am
So what if it's Nigeria. Are you saying it's irrelevant because they're African? What are you some kind of racist? I mean in addition to being the troll that you are
Oh c'mere. You just need a hug is all. <squeeze>
23 Oct 2007, 12:03 pm
So what if it's Nigeria. Are you saying it's irrelevant because they're African? What are you some kind of racist? I mean in addition to being the troll that you are
Oh c'mere. You just need a hug is all. <squeeze>It's Nigeria, that's hardly an example of our medical and legal system. That country is underdeveloped, with civil war and a barely functioning government, why not use the US, Canada, England, or any country that actually has regulations?
