Nonverbal Learning Disorder?

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Does anyone here have NLD along with your AS?
I do.
My Verbal IQ is 130
My Performance is 80

This gap means I have problems with nonverbal things
I have issues with
Motor skills
Spatial skills
Math skills
Organizing skills
Among other things.
I have excellent verbal abilities though

I heard that around 30-50 % of aspies have NLD
Do you?

I suck at pretty much everything so yeah I guess that includes me too.

My youngest son (13 years) has both, as well. He struggles far more than the rest of us because of it.

there's a lot of overlap as NLVDs are umbrella-ed in AS

they're gonna address this when the revamp all the diagnostics again.

i myself, have a lot of conlficting traits for figuring out whether or not i have a NLVD along with AS or just one or the other...

i have trouble with graphs quite often and i used to throw the most hellacious tantrums when doing math in elementary school... even in magnet school, i started out in the slow math group, lol.... although i made (safely) through out calculus in college... not saying it was easy.

i have issues with graphs and usually interpret them differently until ive had that type of graph thoroughly explained... but i also tend to just use graphs as a base for my own visualizations...

im a very visual person, which NLVDs aren't really supposed to be... although certain things, i REALLY cant see, usually task dependant stuff and i have to have someone show me how to do it cause i cant imagine the process...

i'd get lost in a paper bag... and have always been fascinated with how maps = the actual 3D world cause i am in disbelief most times when i actually do figure out where things actually are..

yet i think i definitely have AS due to stims, obsessions and just my humor/interpretation of people.

my verbal and performance scores have varied... i always have a high verbal, and my performance is always lower, but the degree is negligiable sometimes and moderate other times.

when i first found out about AS ect... i went directly to a specialist with this question, whether i have AS or NLVD and they jsut said i should get tested since they're so hard to tease apart... im not even getting into the subtleties here, really.

but this is why i have taken a personal interest in researching autism/spatial learning... i'd like to tease them apart.

I said "no" because I have never been evaluated for it. I know I have certain learning disabilities - primarily dyscalculia.

I too have NLD. My verbal IQ/verbal comprehension index is 147, and my perceptual organizational index is 108, so that's a large difference as well- 39 points. My performance IQ is actually 120 though, because I did really well on coding- a 19, as compared to other performance subtests which were all 10-13. I have problems with visual and spatial processing and memory, visual-motor integration, and some other things, but those are the biggies that can be measured by objective means. My largest problem is in finding my way around though, and just navigating through my environment.

Just what I was going to say!

In 8th grade:

Verbal IQ = 124.
Visual IQ = 131.

Not too much of a difference there, so that may not support my having NLD.

Not necessarily. Some people don't show the VIQ > PIQ difference. It's also important to look at the differences in scores between the individual subtests.

This is something I have been wondering about. The description of an NVLD child fitted me almost exactly except for the fact I am very much a visual thinker in two dimensions but completely lost when it comes to three dimensions.

So I still don't know.

Wow, your description fits me PERFECTLY! Except that I'm almost 43 years old, and wasn't diagnosed until I was sixteen, after years and years of suffering in school and socially and even with family. The pysychologist said that it was the largest gap she'd ever seen in her entire professional career. My verbal IQ is 130, but my nonverbal IQ is, get this, 77! As you can imagine, this has caused no end of problems for me all throughout my life in almost ALL areas, even those I'm really good at. I call it "The Octopus." It's like one entire half of my brain is completely different from the other half. Almost every job I have ever had has been difficult, I've either been fired or quit before I could be fired, when I knew it was imminent. I can't begin to describe the frustration and fear that causes.

And it doesn't matter how hard I try, either, the Octopus is everywhere. It takes me a long time to process things, even though, once I do, I'm okay. I also simply cannot multitask, my brain cannot handle multi-sensory input. And all of this has only gotten worse as I get older, frankly. Learning disabilities are, in all honesty, misnomers. They do not end at the age of 18 or 22 when school is over and adulthood begins, far from it. They never end and they never go away.

And yes, I also have AS/autistic tendencies. My teenage son is an Aspie, and we share several of the same characteristics.

And if I hear "but you're so smart, how can you have a learning disability/be AS" one more freaking time, I swear I will NOT be responsible for my actions!! !! !

i would say yes

as I am not diagnosed with AS, I am not diagnosed with NLVD...but i have problems with all these things...

Except...can you be a visual thinker and an artist with NLVD..i have a very vision-oriented memory...where I will visualise where things are...for example....I do alot of graphic arts, but am totally stumped when it comes to expressing depth or perspective..I just can't do it..all my designs are either layered, repetative or mono-dimensonal....also...my fine motor skills are ok..i make alot of things with my hands..I have problems with gross motor skills....have always been very clumsy and slow....

but yeah...I have excellent verbal abilities...unless I am really stressed out or something...

I tend to doubt it actually. Problems with visual processing and visual memory are pretty core to the disorder. My visual memory for instance always falls within the mildly-impaired to severely-impaired range on tests. It's probably my primary area of greatest deficit, and causes a whole bunch of secondary problems (it likely contributes to my place blindness, for example).

I've told hardly anyone because I would expect that same reaction. Even though it's been *extremely* obvious from childhood that I have problems with visual and spatial processing.

it's them that are the stupid ones,learning disabilities are when an ability is of lower strength,when compared to the intelligence they have so it's not about being stupid,it's about having a skill that doesn't match the strength of the other skills.
what they wrongly refer to is intellectual disability,but because downs syndrome is usually the first learning disability many ignorants associate with learning disability [which can have accompanying retardation] they assume all lders are like that.
might have ld,LostInSpace,least don't have their ignorance though.