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07 Nov 2007, 2:38 pm

I am in college right now.
Recently a friend claimed to have weird feelings when speaking to me. I assumed she was afraid of me, since many people tend to be afraid of me. Autism combined with a large physical build doesn't make a person very inviting, I suppose. She told me that she wasn't afraid of me. I wanted to know what the weird feeling really was, so I went to Wikipedia and compiled a list of 102 emotions. Yesterday, I tried to go through the list with her, but she refused, saying, "I'm not playing this game."
Today, during a class, we were asked to raise our hands and lower them when the time announced was the time we went to bed. I went to bed at 10:00. The calling-out-of-times began with 12:00 and then went on to 1:00, then 2:00, and so on. At the calling of 5:00, I was the only one with my hand still up. When asked what time I went to bed, I said that I went to bed at 10:00. I then heard one of my classmates call out my name. Later on, when I spoke to that classmate to ask why she had called out my name, she also said something about me being "smart" and playing games.
What exactly are these games that I am unknowingly and apparently playing?



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07 Nov 2007, 2:44 pm

Games People Play by M.D. Eric Berne


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07 Nov 2007, 2:48 pm

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Well, If I actually had the potential to buy the book, it could be helpful, but that potential seems pretty much non-existant right now.



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07 Nov 2007, 2:55 pm

I've done the hand-raising thing before. After the first couple times I caught on that if they skipped me numerically I'm done. To me it seems like you're the one NOT playing the game in your examples.



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07 Nov 2007, 3:02 pm

Helek_Aphel wrote:
What exactly are these games that I am unknowingly and apparently playing?


Your classmate quite obviously thought you were making fun of everybody else. Nobody exspects someone who goes to college to go to bed at 10 (pm), college students tend to stay up late so they started with midnight and then counted onwards - 1 am, 2 am, and so on. I'll just assume you don't usually go to sleep at 10 in the morning, since that would interfere with college studies, so you most likely meant 10 in the evening. Be glad she considered it a conscious joke on your part and not dumbness. (Though the one person acting REALLY dumb was the idiot who started reading out the time starting with 12...) Most likely with that stunt you came across as a real smartass...



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07 Nov 2007, 3:11 pm

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Well, If I actually had the potential to buy the book, it could be helpful, but that potential seems pretty much non-existant right now.
It should be available at your Public Library. If not, ask for it by inter-library loan. It is an essential read for aspies. It may be available on-line. Visit http://www.netlibrary.com/ for more information.


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07 Nov 2007, 3:55 pm

Why on Earth wouldn't they start something like that at 9 or 10pm? Midnight? I'm sure plenty of people go to sleep before that regularly.

In the former case, I'm not sure what she meant. Maybe just didn't want to talk about it. I too would want to know what this feeling was if I were in that situation.



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07 Nov 2007, 4:10 pm

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Why on Earth wouldn't they start something like that at 9 or 10pm? Midnight? I'm sure plenty of people go to sleep before that regularly.


I think those were supposed to lower their hands at 12, because what was really meant (though not said) was "midnight or earlier". And there's a good reason they didn't start calling out 9 or 10 pm - average college students would most likely be ashamed to admit they go to bed this early. Others might think they're childish or don't have any friends to spend the evening with. So they're not forced to admit it publically. (Most would lie about it anyway, I'm sure...)



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07 Nov 2007, 6:44 pm

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Well, If I actually had the potential to buy the book, it could be helpful, but that potential seems pretty much non-existant right now.
It should be available at your Public Library. If not, ask for it by inter-library loan. It is an essential read for aspies. It may be available on-line. Visit http://www.netlibrary.com/ for more information.

My city's public library does not have the book.
When I followed the link and searched for the book, the book did not come up.



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07 Nov 2007, 6:59 pm

The first person thought you were being really scary by asking so many questions and decided not to accept this by not answering your questions. If she was autistic, she would have said "Why did you write down all these emotions?". Because she is NT, she assumes that you have some mysterious hidden agenda - a "game". NT's don't get WYSIWYG.

I sometimes teach. Naturally, when I teach, I give literal instructions. And they are very, very clear. And students still ask me what the real meaning is. What it all is about, what to do with it. After two or more repeats of "Just follow the instructions. There is no hidden meaning". They finally go "Wow, that's great, thank you, it's so easy, I never thought of that before" etc etc.... :lol:

I don't really get why they have to keep searching for mysterious hidden meanings. They just do.



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07 Nov 2007, 7:17 pm

What is WYSIWYG?
Thank you everyone for your answers, and especially to MrMark, Eller, and Weirdobird who actually gave answers.
Thank you in advance to anyone who can tell me what WYSIWYG is.



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07 Nov 2007, 7:42 pm

What You See Is What You Get

One of my favorite games from Berne's book is IGYNYSOB

I Got You Now You SOB


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08 Nov 2007, 6:28 am

The first person was probably freaked out by the idea of having to go through such a long list!

Also, an NT would not understand why you would need to do this, because she would not be able to imagine not being able to identify emotions.

So the only other possibility would be that you were playing a game.



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08 Nov 2007, 7:38 am

You're simply being mis-understood by a bunch of NT's.

Get used to it....


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08 Nov 2007, 2:14 pm

I should be less paranoid about this stuff meself... because people ain't played me for a long time. When I say a long time I actually mean since March or something...

But yeah maybe there's something in me that instinctively drives me towards people who aren't gonna do that, or maybe it's simply a case of life being an unpredictable thing that gets on your back or leaves you for no apparant reason either or... dunno.

However, I should immerse myself in more risks - I've taken a heavy load recently that I'm still well - kind of in it really but if I can cope with this, I can cope with just about anything that's gonna be thrown my way in short term life. So I ought not to worry about games.


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08 Nov 2007, 2:27 pm

I think in the first situation you described your friend mis-interpreted your actions. She did not realize you literally needed to know what her emotion was. She is probably thinking that you are picking on her, or that you are patronizing/talking down to her. She does not realize you were being literal and that her reaction has left you bewildered. Females tend to do that, I think even to NT men.

In the second situation I am not sure, but would tend to agree Eller that perhaps the 12 o'clock was meant to be understood as 12 o'clock and earlier.