Did it occur to you maybe you're Schizoid and not an Aspie?

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Sure - you should see my label collection - it keeps on growing
and growing
and growing


must be a pile at least 7 feet high!

Let's all get DSM happy!

If you tell someone they have a personality disorder, you are telling them that there is something wrong with them. Presumably, your personality isn't considered disordered so you are saying that your personality is better than their personality. That makes your personality superior to their and their personality inferior to yours.



How would giving someone a label make them happier? Would you like it if I labeled you and told you that you had a personality disorder? People already know about their personality. Providing a label for someone's behavior is pointless. I would be very offended if you labeled my personality a disorder.



Some schools force children to get a psychiatric evaluation. What good comes from being told there's something wrong with you because you act different?

What is really, really funny, is I used to know someone who was going into psychology. (She's now a psychologist and apparently claims to have expertise in the area of autism, heaven help her clients if she hasn't learned since then.) She insisted over and over again that my brother had no sign of AS, none whatsoever, that he was clearly and obviously schizoid.

I remember her citing (aside from his bad social skills), his obsessiveness and his "tendency to have collections of little objects" as being things in favor of "schizoid" instead of "AS". Which baffles me to this day.

Since when are psychology majors known to be the sharpest tools in the shed?

My major is psychology. I know some people have negative feelings about it, but I find it really interesting. I certainly don't feel in any way superior to others, I have as many problems as anyone else.

persons who are schizoid do not desire relationships, and do not take pleasure in relationships, wheras i believe many aspies do. furthermore, persons with schizoid often have magical thinking or cognitive disruptions, and i would say most AS people are logical and fairly smart.

another difference is that i think personality disorders are supposed to appear in adolescence, whereas developmental disorders appear much earlier, as a toddler. most diagnosis of developmental disorders are done in children, after all, but i believe personality disorders must be done in adolescents or adults. (for example, "magical thinking" is a normal part of being a child, but in an adult is indicative of schizoid personality disorder)

They're pretty different things, why was this brought up?

Deliciously illustrative. I have a strong desire for and take great pleasure in relationships; therefore I cannot be schizoid. I constantly experience magical thinking, and often cognitive disruptions; therefore I cannot be Asperger's; incidentally, I am also very smart and logical (though I feel compelled to point out that intelligence is not necessarily related to either Asperger's or schizoidism). And, icing on the cake, I displayed certain developmental "defects" during childhood; and I developed more as an adult.

Logical culmination of the various diagnostic criteria: I cannot exist.

Good fortune,

- Icarus defies all attempts at analysis and categorization...

If you're really concerned about labels note that for both the ICD-10 and the DSM-IV-TR, you only need to have at least four of the 7-9 criteria mentioned. If four match and the other five are complete opposites, then you are still considered as having that "disorder".

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Logical culmination of the various diagnostic criteria: I cannot exist.

Good fortune,

- Icarus defies all attempts at analysis and categorization...[/quote]


hmm.....have they come up with a marketable drug for nonexistance yet? maybe i could try it as i do not have a proper label either

Schizotypal personality disorder is one of the possible alternative diagnoses considered when I was diagnosed with Asperger's. However, in late months I have begun to exhibit extreme psychotic symptoms, which would suggest my condition had progressed into actual schizophrenia, an illness to which Schizotypal disorder is considered to be premorbid.

It would be difficult for me to accurately self-diagnose myself now that I am on anti-psychotics, although my behaviour is quite Schizoid. I have very little interest in social relations, and I usually abandon friendships through disinterest or stress. This could, however, simply be a reaction to the stress of my recent breakdowns, as I have read of similar reactions of schizophrenics during their recovery from a psychosis (loss of interest in friends, increased propensity towards solitary activity).

just for a clearification, schizotypal and schiziod are not the same things

one is related to schizophrenia and schiziod is not

Yes.

There are some things about me that can be explained by schizoid PD and not by Asperger's, and other things that can be explained by Asperger's and not schizoid.

To make matters even more complicated, even though schizoid is supposed to come later and not from early childhood, some of the criteria were better met when I was very young than they would be today:

and others that I've had all my life:


In the end, it's just a label, but it is interesting to know there are other people out there with the same attributes. There must be, if they have a name for it!



Me too. Maybe we need a category of people who cannot be catgegorized.

The following is from, "The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, 10th Revision" (ICD-10):

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F84.5 Asperger's syndrome
A disorder of uncertain nosological validity, characterized by the same type of qualitative abnormalities of reciprocal social interaction that typify autism, together with a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of interests and activities. It differs from autism primarily in the fact that there is no general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development. This disorder is often associated with marked clumsiness. There is a strong tendency for the abnormalities to persist into adolescence and adult life. Psychotic episodes occasionally occur in early adult life.
Autistic psychopathy
Schizoid disorder of childhood
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Autistic psychopathy is what Asperger called Asperger's syndrome. Schizoid disorder of childhood is also another name for Asperger's syndrome.

Edit: Here is the link for the above:

http://www.who.int/classifications/apps/icd/icd10online/?gf80.htm+f845

Last edited by nominalist on 22 Dec 2007, 11:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I neglected to check, but yes, I suspected it wasn't; although there are overlaps in the diagnosis criteria.