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NeantHumain
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31 Dec 2007, 10:19 pm

Do you do almost everything by yourself? I go to the movie theater alone; I go to restaurants alone (or I get my family to go with me); I go to the gym alone; I study alone; I work pretty much alone; I figure things out alone; I do almost everything alone. I do not choose this way of living, and in fact I hate it intensely. Since I never made friends during my childhood, I find connecting with others extremely difficult; I find I have few experiences in common with others to relate to them by. I have few happy memories. I did not experience much of an expanding of my life in college because, although I overcame my shyness for the most part, I still had trouble understanding social situations; all I made were a few casual acquaintanceships that didn't last. Out of sheer necessity, I have developed an ability to appear normalesque or at least not obviously weird although I am frequently still seen as "creepy." My physical appearance and the clothes I wear should allow me to pass as normal and relatively well adjusted. I have developed at least a minimal ability to engage in smalltalk and make little jokes here and there. As someone with Asperger's syndrome, I am obviously good and capable of talking at great length about certain subjects if they are brought up. Especially with strangers, I try to hide any depression, loneliness, or other undesirable emotional characteristics that may prevent me from making friends and instead try to come off as relatively optimistic and positive.

Despite these attempts at social adjustment, I have yet to establish any friendships. The closest I have come to having a romantic relationship was with a girl who seemed plenty nice at first but who had definite abusive tendencies that only became apparent once I was very much fond of her (e.g., nonstop lying, attempts to humiliate, hypocrisy, blatant attempts at making me jealous, and other frankly weird behavior).

Do you think having Asperger's syndrome contributes to involuntary lonerism?



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31 Dec 2007, 10:21 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Do you think having Asperger's syndrome contributes to involuntary lonerism?


Yes, very much so.



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31 Dec 2007, 10:25 pm

Yes, but then most of the time, I really do prefer to be alone, and do things I really like by myself, or with people I'm very familiar with. I have an acquaintance who is always inviting me to go grocery shopping with her, but I hate shopping with others. It is mixing social skills with navigating around the store plus the other shoppers, plus locating what I need. Too much work. I try to tell her that, but she, being NT, craves company for the simplest tasks, and doesn't understand. :?


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31 Dec 2007, 10:26 pm

I'm actually afraid of having friends.

when ever I do make a friend I get all insecure when they don't call me to hang out in a long while or they go out with other friends and don't invite me to go with them. I tell myself "the world doesnt revolve around me" to make myself not feel so excluded but I still cant help but feel a little a sad when that happens.... I hate that feeling and I think that's why I dont really go out and try to make friends because that always happens to me.

I hate how I'm like that.



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31 Dec 2007, 10:28 pm

I rarely find myself around other people outside of the family of my own choice.. The only thing I don't like is the lack of voluntary affection and care.



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31 Dec 2007, 10:37 pm

SapphoWoman wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Do you think having Asperger's syndrome contributes to involuntary lonerism?


Yes, very much so.


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31 Dec 2007, 10:44 pm

If it weren't for my daughter... I'd be very much alone.

I have friends.. but I don't see them very often and then, it's only for brief moments usually.

If I try to hang around people for very long things get uncomfortable because (and this is my interpretation of it) I get too weird or to intense with conversations, or too boring in conversations.
Also, I just don't have anything I can say about sports or pop culture which seem to be big topics to discuss.

Back before I met my former wife... I spent my free time riding my harley and going for hikes out in the desert.
I'd go camping by myself too.
I can see this is where I am heading again... doing everything alone... once my daughter is off on her own or is feeling to old to go to movies with her dad, etc.


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31 Dec 2007, 11:08 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Do you do almost everything by yourself?
only when its important :wink:


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31 Dec 2007, 11:13 pm

richardbenson wrote:
only when its important :wink:


Oh hoh hoh hoh! :wink:



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31 Dec 2007, 11:19 pm

"Do you think having Asperger's syndrome contributes to involuntary lonerism?"

Definately.



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31 Dec 2007, 11:39 pm

I enjoy being alone, sometimes.


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31 Dec 2007, 11:46 pm

Flow wrote:
I enjoy being alone, sometimes.


Me too, definitely. The problem arises in when I can't figure out if I want to be alone or with people. I always side on the alone one, though.



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31 Dec 2007, 11:47 pm

I thought I was reading a description of myself NeantHumain. I think my HFA definitely contributes to me being involuntarily alone.



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01 Jan 2008, 12:12 am

I mostly spend my weekends with my #4 brother. We go to the movies, sometimes with his friend. We go out to eat. And sometimes we go to our sisters or moms.

During the week I do things on my own. Running errands, going to the library, getting groceries, etc.



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01 Jan 2008, 1:16 am

I have imaginary friends who are better than any humans I ever met.

When Bob and Jane invite you out to dinner, it is because Bob sells cars, and Jane real estate.

I have observed friendship in others. The strongest bonds are between wineos, other drug related activities, and petty criminals.

The rest are part of a temp thing, I will talk with a half dozen, and leverage that to being able to move on another. The drop rate is high, so friends have to be replinished, and as they expire, the rest of the group says they were never their friends.

I have done social experiments. I can go into a new area, knowing no one. When I go out for breakfast, I listen, someone calls the waitress Mary, I say Hello Mary, introduce myself, and I make notes, as my memory unit is defective. Within a week I am on first name basis with everyone, and wave at the cook when I come or go. I watch the crowd, and go in the dead times, bring some paper work, but will stop work to chat with the waitress.

Soon I am getting life stories. As a writer I need character studies. I tip well. I acknowledge the invisable people, the bus boy, and drop two quarters in the last of the coffee.

Soon they would all vouch for me for a bank loan, and tell other customers what a good person I am. People want to meet a writer. I say how lucky I am, because I get to write about people, and when you get to know them, they have such meaningful lives.

I ask for help, where can I go for dinner? Is there a dry cleaners around, and when I go I say the folks at the dinner said you were the people to see, and continue my networking. All of humanity is connected in a few steps. My interest in people is professional. As a writer I can ask, how do you like having your own business? What did you do before? Most just have jobs, some try harder, take risks, what is it about you that made you a better person?

A half dozen small business owners may become one in my story, but that character will read true. People open up to me, they like to talk about themselves. I see the good in them, and am always glad to see them.

Friends? No, but a positive relationship with test subjects. When I tell them they are good they believe me, they want to belive me, and there is a shortage of people telling them they are good. They want to talk about their life, and a listener, is hard to find.

It comes in layers, first the public face, then later, some background, which I probe for, and once they start, secrets they have never told come flowing out. I do not judge where they are, they are, how they came is of more interest, for what background leads to their place in life? Even then there were choices, they could have stayed in the town they grew up in, but they went to a larger city and they were seeking something, or running away from something.

The big step is moving from situational, talking with the waitress, to meeting outside of work. An invitation to dinner at a much better restaurant, where we can both sit and talk, and someone else can serve the food, is rarely turned down. I am interested in their life, I am paying, and it is a neutral meeting place.

I have taken out married women, and girls young enough to be my grand daughter. Shop keepers have invited me to Chamber of Commerce lunches, and introduced me around. Writing is not a business, but I want to get their truth out there, and people value their own opinion.

Having no memory, I am really bad, I write down lots, keep running notes, and people think what they say is interesting.

They all become shills in the crowd for me, telling many I never meet that I am a good and interesting person. In a month I can have a hundred people who will give me a smile and a wave.

I do not have any friends, I am not social, it just looks like it.

I could not say I really like any of them. There are few people I connect with on any deeper level. Few have read much, thought much, have common interests, or are in love with me. Seeking people on those levels is looking for the proverbial neddle in the haystack.

I could go through life sitting two booths away from a quite librain that would make my heart pound, but she would be shy, and we would never meet, except the waitress thinks I am great, and tells her of the writer. She is still shy, I am reserved, but the waitress knows where she works, and I just happen to need a book, some information, and get to ask her help. She is the type who burys her nose in a book in public, hard to approach, defensive, so I get the book she is reading, learn about the writer, and build some common ground.

The few people I would like to know are the hard ones to get to. The rest are easy, readly available, without long term commitment. They are the background in the story I hope will develop.

I am still alone, even in a crowd of people who know my name. The people I do have a connection with are only a partial contact. Through art, writing, some common interest.

I have dated strangers, lived with some, I had girlfriends, but not a friend, not the love of my life, and have had great sex with women who said, they would never put up with me, live with me, could not understand me, and we were not meant for each other, but they still took me home for the night.

Loner? Yes! But non-friends can make it a better journey. The perfect friend/love may find you, but not if you are hidden from the world. Each of my non-friend but accepted people was part of a net that directed things that fit in my direction.

We know being treated like a machine, well so are the people at the grocery, the waitress, the gas station, and it is not hard to become a favored customer, one who learns names, says hello, treats them like people, for one minute.

They may not be your answer, but they are, and their day can be made by one person acknowledging them.

The well known Loner.



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01 Jan 2008, 3:35 am

hartzofspace wrote:
Yes, but then most of the time, I really do prefer to be alone, and do things I really like by myself, or with people I'm very familiar with. I have an acquaintance who is always inviting me to go grocery shopping with her, but I hate shopping with others. It is mixing social skills with navigating around the store plus the other shoppers, plus locating what I need. Too much work. I try to tell her that, but she, being NT, craves company for the simplest tasks, and doesn't understand. :?

I can relate - one of my flatmates always wants to go grocery shopping with me, which I dislike. I also don't like going to museums with other people. Socializing and having to keep up with or wait for others takes the enjoyment out of the experience. (Or, with shopping, it just takes TOO LONG with others.)

I'm definitely a loner, partly by choice and partly because of my social issues - both seem to be related to my Asperger's traits.