Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in Utah

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Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in Utah
http://www.unknownnews.org/0509090906CampWilliams.html
by Don Nash, Unknown News

Sept. 6, 2005

Utah's Governor Jon Huntsman has taken in some of the New Orleans refugees, at Camp Williams. Replete with barbed wire, armed soldiers with weapons at ready, police and sheriff with weapons at ready, and hell, they must surely feel right at home. In America yet. What BS! I'm not done with this outrage, not by a long shot. I'm actually just getting started.

Unknown News needs to come up with some Press Credentials. I want access to Camp Williams and were I "media," they'd have to let me in and allow me to talk with the refugees? Wouldn't they?

Hell, they'd let me in, I'm certain. They might not let me back out but, they would let me in. Just a passing thought. Or then again, maybe it was passing wind. Or gas. I get that a lot. Gas, that is. I'm an old gas-bag deluxe.

Anyway, think about the press credentials thing. I am serious about that even thought I crack wise about it. I do want to get in there to talk with those poor folk.


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The Hurricane Katrina insurgency from New Orleans is tucked safely away behind the 6-foot chain link fence with the accommodating barb wire atop chain links. The ONLY entry into Detention Camp Utah is through the highly secure military gates that are guarded by armed military guards twenty four seven.

The ONLY access to the New Orleans insurgency is granted to military, government officials, and MAINSTREAM media.

The armed military guards at the military gates will not take nor answer any questions regarding the New Orleans insurgency. The guards will however instruct one dissident radical pseudo-media personality to turn the car around and get gone post haste. Only officially cleared personnel can access the New Orleans insurgency.

Detention Camp Utah is located about 20 miles from downtown civilization. There is no transportation, public or otherwise, for the New Orleans insurgency. Supposedly, it has been reported by one local media concern that there will be twice-daily bus service available to "cleared" insurgents.

The armed military guards at the aforementioned closely guarded military gates would answer no questions regarding whether the New Orleans insurgency would be able to clear the gates to access the quickie mart, located down a rather steep hill about three miles from the Detention Camp Utah. Nor would the guards answer questions regarding whether they would allow the New Orleans insurgency to re-enter Detention Camp Utah if somehow they were able to gain an exit.

Detention Camp Utah is a windblown and barren military installation atop the foothills of what is known as the Oquirrh (pronounced ochre) Mountains. It is isolated and surely quiet.

What a pleasant spot for those that were relocated by the U.S. military and the New Orleans insurgency weren't even told where it was they were being shipped to. Not a one of the refugees/insurgents were told they were being sent to Utah. What a freaking shock that must have been.

That is all I was able to ascertain when I paid Detention Camp Utah a short visit on Labor Day. Due to the escalating hostility of the military guards at the armed military gates into Detention Camp Utah, I cut my visit short and also cut my questioning of the armed military guards short. The nice chap with the shiny Colt 45 and the three stripes on his sleeve was growing moderately curt and gave me one last instruction to get away while I still could.

That's the way it is, Labor Day 2005.

Well, if any of this is true, I think it is a good compromise. Salt Lake City can get some refugees out of the squalor and savagery of the Superdome and surrounding areas without having the criminal element among them running amuck. Maybe later they can be released into L.A. where that kind of criminal insanity wouldn't be worthy of mention at the end of the local TV news?

This is an outrage! "Insurgents"? Are they really insurgents or merely survivors? What a crock...

Well...they were running amuck like insurgents would.

utah....hah

http://www.unknownnews.org/0509090507DenverCamp.html

Looks like it's happening in Colorado, too. And I'm sorry, but that gray haired old lady just doesn't fit my mental image of an "insurgent".

Isn't it funny how we don't tend to pay a lot of attention to civil rights unless they're our own?

I think the story is about as real as something I would read in Weekly World News.

From the looks of the site it is coming from I would that would be the case. And I am saying this from previous expirence of articles from sites like this.

And where's the barbed wire? The pic shows a lady standing by what looks like a snow fence.

But who knows I could be wrong.

That article is not a good article, no wonder Unknown News has no cerdentials.

Camp Williams is an Army training center. I am sure it does have barbed wire, but not to keep refugees from N.O. in, but to keep civilians off of the base during normal operations.

http://www.daily-herald.com/modules.php ... &sid=63672

The article was by a Denver Post columnist. She isn't a columnist for Unknown News...

This is the original story, and it looks the same to me, from a reputable source.

http://denverpost.com/carman/ci_3006502

And more about Utah...

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3002350

And this site has several interesting things to say, along with a number of links:

http://lilorphant.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/7/231343/9940

How would you feel if some natural disaster such as an earthquake, tornado, volcano, or whatever wiped out your home and you managed to survive it, only to be carted away thousands of miles, not told where you were going, and locked up in an unfamiliar place with extremely limited contact to the outside world, for 3-5 months?

Speaking as an aspie, I think I'd go berserk...and I'm usually pretty calm.

There's about 1,000,000 that have to go somewhere and there's no way to acommodate them properly. Look at it like this, if you dumped a couple thousand unruly black refugees into L.A., there would probably be no significant ghange in the volume of calls that the LAPD gets. If you dumped a couple thousand unruly black refugees in a affluent white community like Salt Lake City, it would probably be the worst crisis that SLC has ever faced. Maybe if they had acted more civilized before they werer evacuated, they might have been trusted out on the streets of Utah. However, there are not enough major cities with expansive ghettos such as L.A. to put them in (where else do you think they can afford to stay?), so they are stuck at a National Guard base for now.

Why is it that you never see impoverished whites acting that way? (I'd be interested to hear an answer)

some people in NO certainly were. but then they had guns...

Most of those guns were stolen from stores and the houses of people that evacuated. At least they proved that the anti coup mechanism of the constitution still works.

What makes you think that they don't or wouldn't?

People do what they have to in order to survive. I frankly would not want to see something like this happen where I live, because I'm very certain it'd be at least as bad or worse. The rednecks who live here typically have what a city slicker would call an "arsenal" of guns and ammo, and we already have all sorts of nonsense, especially when they get drunk. If they imagined that they had to shoot everyone in sight to protect their food (whether or not it was actually threatened), they probably would not hesitate to do so.

You need to get over your illusions of white supremacy by visiting some white trash areas of the country. Try Arkansas, Oklahoma, and other impoverished white regions. While you're at it, you could try also encountering some educated black people?

There are very few blacks or minorities where I live (and the ones that we have seem pretty inoffensive to me) and yet we have a high enough crime rate that our county wants to build a new jail only 7 years after the most recent 'new' jail. Drunkeness, drugs, violence, destruction of property, and graffiti are all problems here, and it's all perpetrated by whites, so I frankly don't see where you're coming from at all. Poor people without a goal and with access to booze and drugs tend to deteriorate and act badly, whatever their race.