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NeantHumain
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07 Sep 2005, 8:41 pm

Simon Baron-Cohen has theorized that autistic spectrum conditions may be a manifestation of an extreme male, or systemizing, brain. Some researchers point to the fact that newborn boys make less eye contact than newborn girls. If I am not mistaken, autistic children had more testosterone in utero. Testosterone also initiates the biophysiological development known as virilization (developing masculine features). In Wikipedia, the Testosterone article mentions "advanced postnatal effects" (at puberty): Among these are facial hair, chest hair, deepened voice, changed face contours, and increased muscle mass.

I remember seeing a special on the Discovery Channel about faces, and they mentioned masculine and feminine faces. Women preferred men with highly masculine features for short-term relationships but men with somewhat more androgynous features for more stable relationships. The researchers also measured people's impressions of trustworthiness. Highly masculine faces were rated less trustworthy. One example was President Bill Clinton; they used edited an image of Bill Clinton with larger eyes to test whether that improved his ratings of perceived trustworthiness. It did, even among Republicans! Another experiment tested women's impressions of both attractiveness and dominance for faces (control and edited for higher testosterone features). Testosterone level did not affect attractiveness; however, testosterone level did affect perception of dominance (as a personality trait).

Do you (man or woman) show features of higher-than-normal testosterone levels for your sex?

My level of testosterone is probably in the normal range for twenty-year-old men, but my guess is it is above average by at least a little. I have a very definite "square jaw" and heavy brow. Another thing is high-testosterone faces are more elongated, rectangular, than oval. The change from childhood is striking.



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07 Sep 2005, 9:14 pm

I think mine is actually quite low. I have a "pretty" (in other words, feminine-looking) face, and I must admit tha my personality is also a bit more feminine-leaning. I know that I usually can relate more to females.



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07 Sep 2005, 9:39 pm

Neanthuman, I can see why you would make this connection, but as I understand it (not comprehensively by any means) these seem to be two areas of development that are only remotely connected at best. The inutero testosterone levels have a lot to do with the mothers horomonal balance.
I am probably normal to low as far as testosterone goes.
In one article I read there was suggested a possible connection between inutero testosterone levels and delayed onset of puberty.
This matches my own development pretty well.
It would be very interesting if this were a trend among ASDs, as the general population has been drifting toward earlier onset of puberty.


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07 Sep 2005, 9:42 pm

Well I do drink alot of Bawls!

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07 Sep 2005, 9:47 pm

rpm2004 wrote:
Well I do drink alot of Bawls!

What are you implying?



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07 Sep 2005, 9:50 pm

balls is a term for testicles...


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07 Sep 2005, 9:52 pm

mikibacsi1124 wrote:
I know that I usually can relate more to females.

I relate to women better than men in general, but this might be from psychosocial experiences in childhood. Boys bullied me; girls were sympathetic. Therefore, I came to associate other men with competitiveness and cruelty but women with cooperation and kindness. I am better able to relate to a fellow guy if he seems shy, awkward, or weird like me. Otherwise, I view the typical young man as competition for women and little more.



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07 Sep 2005, 9:53 pm

rpm2004 wrote:
balls is a term for testicles...

Right, that's why I was wondering what you were implying. Is WrongPlanet.net about to have another Coming Out of the Closet topic?



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07 Sep 2005, 9:57 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
rpm2004 wrote:
balls is a term for testicles...

Right, that's why I was wondering what you were implying. Is WrongPlanet.net about to have another Coming Out of the Closet topic?
no...,this is A topic about high testosterone a chemical generally associated with the testicals even though thats not where its produced in the body.I was implying that if I drank bawls I would have a higher level of testosterone!


get a sense of humor,there on the isle right next to common sense


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07 Sep 2005, 9:59 pm

rpm2004 wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
rpm2004 wrote:
balls is a term for testicles...

Right, that's why I was wondering what you were implying. Is WrongPlanet.net about to have another Coming Out of the Closet topic?
no...,this is A topic about high testosterone a chemical generally associated with the testicals even though thats not where its produced in the body.I was implying that if I drank bawls I would have a higher level of testosterone!

I don't want to go into explicit detail, but such activity would be associated with homosexual practice although I know what you meant to say.



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07 Sep 2005, 10:00 pm

I have more testosterone than a bar full of rugby players.



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07 Sep 2005, 10:01 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
rpm2004 wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
rpm2004 wrote:
balls is a term for testicles...

Right, that's why I was wondering what you were implying. Is WrongPlanet.net about to have another Coming Out of the Closet topic?
no...,this is A topic about high testosterone a chemical generally associated with the testicals even though thats not where its produced in the body.I was implying that if I drank bawls I would have a higher level of testosterone!

I don't want to go into explicit detail, but such activity would be associated with homosexual practice although I know what you meant to say.
actually I think it would be considered murder and cannabilism


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07 Sep 2005, 10:02 pm

and bawls really is an energy drink


im not gay


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07 Sep 2005, 10:05 pm

He does protest too much.



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07 Sep 2005, 10:09 pm

Wow this skipped off topic prett fast! 8O

Check out this page. I'm not sure how credible it is, but it is interesting none the less.

http://originsofautism.com/


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07 Sep 2005, 10:14 pm

It would take me like a gazillion years to read all that. Whats the gist of it?