Do you beleve that calling yourself a loser is a good thing?

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Mw99
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30 Jan 2008, 10:28 pm

I dislike it when a person calls someone else a loser but then one day they find themselves in that person's position and all of a sudden they stop calling people in that position losers. They are hypocrites, and I dislike people with that kind of attitude.

The fact that I consider myself a loser is a positive reflection of my character, because it means that I am free of bias and that I judge myself according to the same standards that I judge everyone else by. It means that I am sincere, honest, and that my self-esteem is high enough that I can call myself loser without letting my own words bring me down.

Everyone is a loser, and considering myself a loser doesn't make me less than anyone. On the contrary, it means that I am better because at least I am not in self-denial.



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30 Jan 2008, 10:42 pm

I think the whole idea that people are either "winners" or "losers" is insane. Life is not a competition. It is for some people who will die in their forties from ulcers and heart attacks. Ths sort of dualistic reasoning is what infants naturally gravitate towards. Its apparently hardwired into the brain or so I read somewhere. It makes decisions quicker when a lion is about to eat you. Learn to think in four dimensions or in none.



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30 Jan 2008, 10:52 pm

The concept of "loser" implies that values are the same for everyone and absolute. It implies we all compete for the same goals which are obvious and that strict measurable achievement millstones exist in order to determine which lives are worthy and which lives aren't.
. . .so it's a pretty damn pathetic term to be using.

That said, I do refer to workplace bullies as "losers" - it's a bit of a sadistic thing rather than something purely logical; as these people live in the aforementioned "American Psycho winner-looser" cuthroat view of the world, are not able to think outside the box and use violence to cover up their failures. Referring to them as losers is going right through their facade/harassment and for their throat - a small pleasure of mine.



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30 Jan 2008, 10:54 pm

corroonb wrote:
I think the whole idea that people are either "winners" or "losers" is insane. Life is not a competition. It is for some people who will die in their forties from ulcers and heart attacks. Ths sort of dualistic reasoning is what infants naturally gravitate towards. Its apparently hardwired into the brain or so I read somewhere. It makes decisions quicker when a lion is about to eat you. Learn to think in four dimensions or in none.


Yeah, that's a good answer.



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30 Jan 2008, 10:56 pm

Fine, go ahead and be a loser.


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30 Jan 2008, 11:03 pm

corroonb wrote:
I think the whole idea that people are either "winners" or "losers" is insane. Life is not a competition. It is for some people who will die in their forties from ulcers and heart attacks. Ths sort of dualistic reasoning is what infants naturally gravitate towards. Its apparently hardwired into the brain or so I read somewhere. It makes decisions quicker when a lion is about to eat you. Learn to think in four dimensions or in none.


In no part of my post I indicated I think in terms of dualities. I talked about being a loser, and said nothing about being a winner. I said "loser" and your brain immediately came up with the direct opposite of loser; it did what it is hardwired to do.

I do think there is the subset of losers who consider themselves losers (as in unable to get what they want) and a subset of losers who do not consider themselves losers. That's not the type of dual thinking you refer to.



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30 Jan 2008, 11:45 pm

Mw99 wrote:
I dislike it when a person calls someone else a loser but then one day they find themselves in that person's position and all of a sudden they stop calling people in that position losers. They are hypocrites, and I dislike people with that kind of attitude.



I don't think that it's hypocrisy that causes it so much as that they didn't understand what it was like to be in the "losers'" situation before, but now, since they have experienced it, they do.


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31 Jan 2008, 12:24 am

There's a definition of loser in one of my essays.

Before calling yourself anything, ask yourself: what does it mean to be such a person?


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31 Jan 2008, 12:27 am

I don't see myself in that light. I tell myself that I'm a fighter and a winner, every chance that I have, to do so.


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31 Jan 2008, 12:32 am

"If I'm not for myself, who is for me?"

I don't think I'm a loser. I don't think anyone is a loser. That's something some sick mind (not yours) thought up, and a lot of people bought into it. It's BS.

If you give up, you lose, but that doesn't mean you're a "loser."

Chin up, head high, if you lose, you get right back out there and try again.

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31 Jan 2008, 12:35 am

By my definition, losers are filled with hate, self-loathing and closemindednes.

So no, I don't consider it to be a good thing.


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31 Jan 2008, 12:38 am

So is your definition of 'loser' to mean "one who does not acquire" as opposed to "one who is inept"?

You all talk about things being 'hardwired' and I think that is wrong.
Mw99, when you say 'loser' and someone else thinks 'loser vs winner', it's not hardwired.
These are made up terms that in our society mean something specific and carry certain learned feelings associated with those words.

The common term 'loser' does have an opposite term. That's how this whole notion of the term 'loser' being a negative has come to pass. Nothing innate in that.

My daughter calls herself 'weird'. She has done this for the past 4 yrs or so (she's 14 currently).
Because of my emotional attachment to the term 'weird' when used to describe a person, I was uncomfortable with her using it to describe herself. I always thought it would just reinforce some negative idea that she was less valued as a person than the kids who were not considered 'weird'.

It has taken me a little while, but I have finally come to embrace her use of the term 'weird' to describe herself.
She uses it as a positive moniker, which was a totally foreign idea to me previously.
I was always 'weird' in school but not in her positive way. Thus, I placed my insecurities on her shoulders early on when she started using that term for herself.

Your use of the term 'loser' does bring to mind a negative connotation when I hear it. But, if you find it gives you peace-of-mind and a positive outlook in the manner you use it, then all the better for you.


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31 Jan 2008, 12:52 am

wsmac wrote:
So is your definition of 'loser' to mean "one who does not acquire" as opposed to "one who is inept"?

You all talk about things being 'hardwired' and I think that is wrong.
Mw99, when you say 'loser' and someone else thinks 'loser vs winner', it's not hardwired.
These are made up terms that in our society mean something specific and carry certain learned feelings associated with those words.

The common term 'loser' does have an opposite term. That's how this whole notion of the term 'loser' being a negative has come to pass. Nothing innate in that.

My daughter calls herself 'weird'. She has done this for the past 4 yrs or so (she's 14 currently).
Because of my emotional attachment to the term 'weird' when used to describe a person, I was uncomfortable with her using it to describe herself. I always thought it would just reinforce some negative idea that she was less valued as a person than the kids who were not considered 'weird'.

It has taken me a little while, but I have finally come to embrace her use of the term 'weird' to describe herself.
She uses it as a positive moniker, which was a totally foreign idea to me previously.
I was always 'weird' in school but not in her positive way. Thus, I placed my insecurities on her shoulders early on when she started using that term for herself.

Your use of the term 'loser' does bring to mind a negative connotation when I hear it. But, if you find it gives you peace-of-mind and a positive outlook in the manner you use it, then all the better for you.


Weird is a little different than "Loser." I'm weird. But I have been all my life. But that doesn't bring me down. Think I was a loser, would bring me down. And I refuse to bring myself down....or to let anyone else do it.

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31 Jan 2008, 12:53 am

Now, weird, that's another subject altogether. If weird were a color, it'd be tye-dye. :)


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31 Jan 2008, 1:02 am

beentheredonethat wrote:
wsmac wrote:
I was always 'weird' in school ...


Weird is a little different than "Loser." I'm weird. But I have been all my life. But that doesn't bring me down. Think I was a loser, would bring me down. And I refuse to bring myself down....or to let anyone else do it.

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lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Now, weird, that's another subject altogether. If weird were a color, it'd be tye-dye. :)



Maybe to you two being labeled as 'weird' didn't/doesn't matter.
I'm 47... we didn't have the term 'loser' where I grew up.
Weird was it.
So, from my point-of-view, 'weird' has not been a good label to carry.

What we're all demonstrating here is how one word can hold vastly different meanings to individuals.
Same goes for social orders/groups.

While some folks may think describing ones self as a 'loser' is terrible, others like Mw99 seem to think differently... if I am reading Mw99's meaning correctly.


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31 Jan 2008, 1:07 am

I completely agree with your philosophy, I think it's beautiful. I think it's important to see yourself with unbiased eyes... unfortunately that doesn't even seem to cross most peoples minds.


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