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12 Feb 2008, 2:38 am

Could anyone tell me the difference?

Is NVLD just high functioning AS?

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12 Feb 2008, 2:58 am

http://www.nldontheweb.org/Dinklage_1.htm

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12 Feb 2008, 11:18 am

thanks for that.

PS. is it just an American thing to call AS Asperger's DISORDER or is it a universal thing?

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12 Feb 2008, 2:20 pm

This is interesting.
I don't think I've ever heard of NVLD.

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12 Feb 2008, 2:29 pm

i think nvld might be on the autsitic spectrum, where does it belong anyways?

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12 Feb 2008, 3:37 pm

I think the article itself mentions the difference:

"However, by convention, the two groups (AS and NLVD) differ in the range of severity"

I think some shrink just wants his name to be on the book for coining a new term for

Asperger 'Lite' .

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12 Feb 2008, 4:32 pm

I've never heard of NVLD being on the autistic spectrum.

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12 Feb 2008, 4:41 pm

Another similar discussion to this topic:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt50691.html

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I've never heard of NVLD being on the autistic spectrum.

http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm

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12 Feb 2008, 8:14 pm

It's still not very clear to me. In some of the articles, they differentiate the two in a very ambiguous way, and even contradict some of the other articles. The only thing that doesn't seem to fit me for NVLD is weak pattern analysis and visual spacial understanding. Those are the things I always score the highest on. Does that also contradict AS or just NVLD?

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12 Feb 2008, 9:10 pm

http://www.weirdnotstupid.com/asvsnld.asp

That's the site where I first heard of NLD.

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12 Feb 2008, 10:45 pm

Well, this is just from my personal experience, but I've been diagnosed with NLD. I have major visual processing problems, and associated issues like visual memory and visual-motor integration difficulties. In contrast, my verbal skills are excellent. This is the typical NLD profile. I think with Aspies, it can go either way- they can have visual processing problems, or visual processing can be an area of strength. But I don't consider myself to have a "social disability" like most Aspies do. I know my interaction style is more similar to Aspie than to NT, and I do have some issues, but in general, I think I get along pretty well socially. I do have some major social anxiety though, and I've been working with a psychologist on some of these issues. The social anxiety is a much greater handicap than any interaction problems I have.

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12 Feb 2008, 10:47 pm

Awesome conclusion in one of the articles (the difference between autism and Asperger's; NVLD and Asperger's; HFA equating to Asperger's, autism with adequate speech or PDD-NOS):

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Autistic Spectrum disorders are marked by their difficulty in communication/socialization in areas other than the literal meaning of words.
*Once a child has trouble with getting the big picture of communication and socialization, there will often be secondary symptoms such as: anxiety, holding back from peers, a rigid adherence to sameness, a relative preference for things (which are predictable) rather than people, and an appearance of “oddness.”
*Asperger’s and Autism share primarily the difficulty of recognizing the existence of others—trouble with theory of mind. Asperger’s can talk; autism usually has limited speech.
*Asperger’s children appear less interested in forming bonds and have more trouble with “theory of mind” than NVLD and Sematic-Pragmatic Disorder.
*NVLDs are marked by integration problems of pragmatic language gestalt; spatial orientation; and motoric coordination.
*Hyperlexia is marked by fascination with the printed word starting at an early age.
*“High Functioning Autism” is used by different authors to mean either Autistic Disorder with relatively spared speech and cognition; Aspergers’s Syndrome; or PDD-NOS.

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12 Feb 2008, 10:55 pm

LostInSpace wrote:

When you say you're not socially disabled, does that mean you're able to have a succesful conversation with a stranger? I have this problem. I must either ignore a person partially, just closing in on impact words, then respond to them the best I can: "I blkgsdahglksdbl trouble dasglkdgasls argument aslkdhs sad." responded with "Oh? That's not a good thing. What happened next?" I can't end conversations and just feel awkward because I want to leave but don't want to appear rude just brushing off.

I'm just trying to find out how similar NLD can be with social interaction.

I've social anxiety as well, but usually strong focus to an object (mental/visual) or a "friend" diminishes my anxiety a bit to functional levels.

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12 Feb 2008, 11:00 pm

Danielismyname wrote:

Awesome conclusion in one of the articles (the difference between autism and Asperger's; NVLD and Asperger's; HFA equating to Asperger's, autism with adequate speech or PDD-NOS):

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The chart at the bottom with the plus signs was pretty good, too. Their descriptions definitely match my experience. Especially the problem with seeing the gestalt. That was what sunk me on the "picture arrangement" section of the WISC-III when I was a kid- I kept paying attention to the wrong detail in the pictures (like the colors of the passing cars or something) rather than the "event" that each card was meant to depict.

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12 Feb 2008, 11:05 pm

oscuria wrote:

LostInSpace wrote:

Do you mean a real conversation? I'm able to have conversations with strangers, although I don't like it- I'd feel very anxious. I've amassed some strategies over the years in order to have more successful social interactions- although my psychologist thinks they are contributing to my anxiety (like my need to "script" out conversations), so she's trying to get me to rely on them less and "pay attention to the other person" more. I don't usually have difficulty understanding the actual words that someone is saying, although if I'm feeling extremely anxious it can be difficult to get a coherent story from their individual words.

It's interesting that you mention having difficulties ending conversations. I have so much anxiety centered around ending interactions that it keeps me from wanting to get together with other people. I'm most comfortable at events with set lengths and ending times. Even if I'm watching something on TV, if someone is having an intimate/emotional moment with someone, I feel anxiety on their behalf regarding how they are going to end their interaction.

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12 Feb 2008, 11:15 pm

oscuria wrote:

LostInSpace wrote:

When you say you're not socially disabled, does that mean you're able to have a succesful conversation with a stranger? I have this problem. I must either ignore a person partially, just closing in on impact words, then respond to them the best I can: "I blkgsdahglksdbl trouble dasglkdgasls argument aslkdhs sad." responded with "Oh? That's not a good thing. What happened next?" I can't end conversations and just feel awkward because I want to leave but don't want to appear rude just brushing off.

I'm just trying to find out how similar NLD can be with social interaction.

I've social anxiety as well, but usually strong focus to an object (mental/visual) or a "friend" diminishes my anxiety a bit to functional levels.

i can't say how many times i've thought this!

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