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whatamess
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08 Mar 2008, 12:29 am

What is it with people being so darn sensitive that they are just offended when someone disagrees with them??? Is this an NT thing?

There's a website for step-moms I go to sometimes...they were talking about ADD/ADHD/OCDautism, etc...of course, from the view point of the kids of divorce, etc...well, one lady says that ALMOST EVERY CHILD she has met who has ADD/ADHD/OCD, etc...has been abused or neglected as a child...therefore, SHE believes that although part is genetics, the trigger is the ABUSE/NEGLECT which causes the ADD/ADHD/OCD...argh...

I told her that I thought she was being a bit unfair in her response, and although this might be the only people she knows, saying that the reason someone has ADD/ADHD/OCD or autism, etc...is because of NEGLECT/ABUSE is a very unfair statement to the thousands of parents and children diagnosed daily...that I hoped that she never had a child diagnosed as such, because it would be very difficult then to have people view you as someone who has neglected/abused your child...

Well, of course, poor lady was just so upset that I said this to her...she thinks I was just horrible and mean and I was not justified in saying any such thing to her and that she's just so hurt, that I'm a horrible person...WTH???

OK, seems every website I go on people feel that they can say what they want, but as soon as someone disagrees, they are all offended and throw in the "I'm a victim" and you are just being so mean to me garbage...Is it just me or what?



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08 Mar 2008, 12:33 am

its actually an AS thing and the science behind it is this, "you can never win."



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08 Mar 2008, 12:43 am

saying you are 'offended' is someone's way of letting you know you are cutting too deeply, you are making them extremely uncomfortable. For a lot of people in the world, being totally honest is nothing less than culture shock. They can checkout your intellect power far better than you can and they know they are out gunned and are asking for you to just go away, they don't care to engage.

unfortunately, WE have no idea that is the commotion we are causing and go blythefully on our merry way, vaguely aware that someone is having a bad day.

I find this scenario happens to me a lot. I can be quite clueless in the most shocking of ways:hence my name on WP - Sins Boldy, for I am the original bull in the China shop, and I am the fool that dances where the angels have fled, utterly oblivious to all.

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08 Mar 2008, 1:08 am

Actually, she felt I was "attacking her" too...hmmm...Still don't get why it's ok for her to voice HER opinion...but not for me to voice mine...

I did forget to mention, I later posted a note which said...

"Saying that all children diagnosed with ADD/ADHD have been neglected or abused is like saying that NO school in the US teaches geography since most don't US citizens don't know much about world geography (or at least that's the general view)...hmmm..." and of course, we know that schools DO teach geography...

You see, it could actually be that the kids are abused/neglected BECAUSE they have ADD/ADHD and therefore, the strain on the parents is too much...not that they have ADD/ADHD because they are abused...It's the chicken and the egg thing...hmmm...

Anyway, yes, sorry but I just don't get these NTs...I am never rude to someone in the sense that I don't tell them "your hair looks like garbage today" or anything like that...ever...but if everyone is voicing their opinion, I don't see why I'm supposed to agree with them in order for them to not feel threatened...



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08 Mar 2008, 1:16 am

Shayne wrote:
its actually an AS thing and the science behind it is this, "you can never win."


Hi - I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying, no matter what, the AS folks will be on the losing end of this type of situation?

I'd love to hear more thoughts on this topic - I just got pretty burned today by my son's principal because I was trying to advocate for my son, and ask a few questions, but I must have stepped on someone's toes. It doesn't matter that I remind them all the time about how well they are doing. But one little comment from me about how a different approach would work better with my own kid, and - oh, the tragedy. They say, "you need to trust us." "Stop micromanaging." Heck, I've barely been in the class to observe at all.

It feels like it's open season to set me straight - and that's fine.



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08 Mar 2008, 1:43 am

Whatamess, it's a mess, isn't it? I've treated people that way myself. There's too much of using terms like "abuse" to try to control others, and failing that, people collect other people who feel the same way and use groups to try to control others by threats.



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08 Mar 2008, 2:51 am

I've recently been accused of being "nasty" by some people when I was only being the slightest bit frank. I don't even think this is an AS thing so much as a masculine (or not particularly feminine) personality trait. I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy, but I don't always say things in the most sugarcoated way possible.

And the irony is that these people have said far worse things to myself and others. I don't see how responding to "Don't worry" by saying "I'm done worrying" is not okay, but telling someone they look pregnant is. Seems like some people have a twisted view of what is considered rude.



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08 Mar 2008, 7:11 am

whatamess wrote:
one lady says that ALMOST EVERY CHILD she has met who has ADD/ADHD/OCD, etc...has been abused or neglected as a child...therefore, SHE believes that although part is genetics, the trigger is the ABUSE/NEGLECT which causes the ADD/ADHD/OCD...argh...


Correlation does NOT equal causation. I'm offended. Does that mean that I'm the subject of your criticism? Why that just makes me SO ANGRY :twisted:.

j/k :lol:



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08 Mar 2008, 7:17 am

I have noticed that everywhere, even here on WP. I have followed a few feuds where I had no idea what people were fussing about. Many people seem to think that disagreeing is the same as attacking. Well, if you are calling somebody names while disagreeing, even I could see that as an attack, but not simple disagreement.



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08 Mar 2008, 7:27 am

i don't think of the take offense when people disagree thing as a textbook nt thing.. it is a trait of humanity that can be a pain in the a.
eg: someone makes a joke relating to hep c that is not a nasty joke, he gets a few complaints one of which comes from a hep c charity. he calls said charity to apologise for offending them and they say to him "we were not offended we just wanted a higher profile"
real lame to use him like that, he was understandably not happy. i read this story in the paper once.

anyway speaking of taking offence, do u hate it when people try and ban fun things because they may offend some groups?
eg: in an english teachers college, they were telling the teaching students not to say the word brainstorm because it may offend epileptics. no one paid attention to that and a charity that works with epileptic children spoke up and said that is not an offensive word. i am epileptic and agree with the charity.
whenever that happens the group that is said to be offended is not offended. it is always some other bunch of people with time on their hands.



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08 Mar 2008, 9:38 am

Well I seem to offend people occasionally completely unintentionally also I tend to get questions like are you okay and why are you grumpy when I am simply bored and not very happy but not sad either :?


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08 Mar 2008, 9:44 am

i say something; I offend. I choose to say nothing; I offend. there's just no pleasing people. :roll:


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08 Mar 2008, 10:45 am

whatamess wrote:
What is it with people being so darn sensitive that they are just offended when someone disagrees with them??? Is this an NT thing?

There's a website for step-moms I go to sometimes...they were talking about ADD/ADHD/OCDautism, etc...of course, from the view point of the kids of divorce, etc...well, one lady says that ALMOST EVERY CHILD she has met who has ADD/ADHD/OCD, etc...has been abused or neglected as a child...therefore, SHE believes that although part is genetics, the trigger is the ABUSE/NEGLECT which causes the ADD/ADHD/OCD...argh...

I told her that I thought she was being a bit unfair in her response, and although this might be the only people she knows, saying that the reason someone has ADD/ADHD/OCD or autism, etc...is because of NEGLECT/ABUSE is a very unfair statement to the thousands of parents and children diagnosed daily...that I hoped that she never had a child diagnosed as such, because it would be very difficult then to have people view you as someone who has neglected/abused your child...

Well, of course, poor lady was just so upset that I said this to her...she thinks I was just horrible and mean and I was not justified in saying any such thing to her and that she's just so hurt, that I'm a horrible person...WTH???

OK, seems every website I go on people feel that they can say what they want, but as soon as someone disagrees, they are all offended and throw in the "I'm a victim" and you are just being so mean to me garbage...Is it just me or what?


I think disagreeing with someone who is like this particular person is always going to be problematic. I don't think it's you, it's them. Their views are obviously pretty extreme and people with extreme viewpoints don't react well to someone disagreeing with their views.

That is the problem. It's not that you can't disagree with people without upsetting them I just think that maybe someone without AS may have read the situation better. They might not have bothered to vocalise their feelings because they'd be aware that the other person wouldn't be receptive to their views. Or they may have been a bit more wishy washy in their disagreement. And maybe saying she was unfair wasn't the best way to put it. This may have personalised the disagreement so that she felt you were disagreeing with her on a personal level. NT's tend to be a bit over emotional and less logical than AS'ers.

I am pretty bad biting my tongue when someone says something I feel is obviously wrong or silly so I understand your frustration.


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08 Mar 2008, 10:46 am

Contriving to take offense works to deflect a productive discussion.



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08 Mar 2008, 10:52 am

Remnant wrote:
Contriving to take offense works to deflect a productive discussion.


Yeah my girlfriend was really good at this one! Disagreements with her, that I should have won using superior logical were nullified by her uncanny ability to take offence and attain victim status.


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08 Mar 2008, 10:58 am

aries wrote:
Remnant wrote:
Contriving to take offense works to deflect a productive discussion.


Yeah my girlfriend was really good at this one! Disagreements with her, that I should have won using superior logical were nullified by her uncanny ability to take offence and attain victim status.


And people who act like that think that they should be listened to and treated as if they are responsible adults who have a superior philosophy of life.