A different kind of Intelligence
I found this interesting articles:
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~khai/classes ... nature.pdf
This article is about Asperger:
http://www.freewebs.com/adiscussion/Sup ... sorder.pdf
...Regarding the boys, the AD group (46.0 ± 2.6) outperformed the NC group (26.0 ± 2.6) [ds = 2.48]. On the other hand, the girls in the AD group (34.0 ± 3.0) showed the equivalent number of correct responses to the girls in the NC group (37.4 ± 3.0) [ds = 0.42]...
...The results of this study suggested that boys with Asperger’s disorder particularly performed better on the RSPM. It might be because that males are better at ‘systemizing’, that is, ‘to predict and to respond to the behavior of nonagentive deterministic systems by analyzing rules that govern such systems’ (Baron-Cohen, 2002)...
Autistic and Asperger's
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In psychology, fluid and crystallized intelligence (abbreviated Gf and Gc, respectively) are factors of general intelligence originally identified by Raymond Cattell.
Fluid intelligence is the ability to find meaning in confusion and solve new problems. It is the ability to draw inferences and understand the relationships of various concepts, independent of acquired knowledge. Crystallized intelligence is the ability to use skills, knowledge, and experience. It should not be equated with memory or knowledge, but it does rely on accessing information from long-term memory. The terms are somewhat misleading because one is not a "crystallized" form of the other. Rather, they are believed to be separate neural and mental systems.
Fluid and crystallized intelligence are correlated with each other, and most IQ tests attempt to measure both varieties. For example, the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) measures fluid intelligence on the performance scale and crystallized intelligence on the verbal scale. The overall IQ score is based on a combination of these two scales. People with a high capacity of Gf tend to acquire more Gc knowledge and at faster rates.
Fluid intelligence includes such abilities as problem-solving, learning, and pattern recognition. The Cattell Culture Fair IQ test, the Raven Progressive Matrices, and the performance subscale of the WAIS are measures of Gf.
Raven Progressive Matrices is the test with the highest load of G (general intelligence) and in particular of Gf (Fluid intelligence).
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One way to look at it is:
Fluid intelligence: can follow the flow and patterns (like a winding river) of a problem in an effort to solve.
Crystallized Intelligence: Using experience (formed and molded from life as it were, like a crystal formation) to solve problems.
Whoever came up with these terms was likely trying to sound wise and metaphorical.
That aside, this is interesting information. Guess one could say Autists are more in tune with their minds/brains (even though we get sucked into our own thoughts very easily . . . but it obviously has its advantages when handling problems).
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There is a study who show more little dispranency in their finding. http://www.springerlink.com/content/5803h01478m6t560/fulltext.pdf
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Fluid intelligence is the ability to find meaning in confusion and solve new problems. It is the ability to draw inferences and understand the relationships of various concepts, independent of acquired knowledge.
This would go a long way toward explaining the Aspergian tendency to acquire tremendous vocabulary at an early age - we have a knack for absorbing meaning from context, by recognizing patterns and associations that may seem a chaotic jumble to the NT brain, without having to be taught instance by instance.
Performance IQ is usually lower than verbal IQ in Asperger that's why before those study reported psicologist belived that Asperger/Autistic had more crystallized intelligence than fluid intelligence. Instead the test done with Raven's Matrices show the opposite. The reason is that while Raven is abstract, performance is "material". Basically we have more fluid intelligence than NT but we are able to apply it only on abstract things while failing at applying it on concrete things. Obviosly failing is "relative", just say "less able".
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Looking at that study the sample choce of autistic/NT seems biased to me.
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Looking at that study the sample choce of autistic/NT seems biased to me.
What do you see as biased in it?
I found a blog message quite critical about the Dawson study, it also proposing sone kind of "compensation" with the occopital lobe as explication for the godd scores in the Raven. (I guess I'm not that smart then.

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For istance they took into account only autistic children and young while NT's are mainly adults. The % of male/female is not the same and as Dawson said girl's doesn't show a big difference in Raven's Test. And still, autistic score higher in Raven's also in the study that you reported.
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