Page 1 of 1 [ 13 posts ] 

Nightsun
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 567
Location: Rome - Italy

22 Dec 2009, 7:07 am

I found this interesting articles:

http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~khai/classes ... nature.pdf

Quote:
Autistics are presumed to be characterized by cognitive impairment, and their cognitive strengths (e.g., in Block Design performance) are frequently interpreted as low-level by-products of high-level deficits, not as direct manifestations of intelligence. Recent attempts to identify the neuroanatomical and neurofunctional signature of autism have been positioned on this universal, but untested, assumption. We therefore assessed a broad sample of 38 autistic children on the preeminent test of fluid intelligence, Raven’s Progressive Matrices. Their scores were, on average, 30 percentile points, and in some cases more than 70 percentile points, higher than their scores on the Wechsler scales of intelligence. Typically developing control children showed no such discrepancy, and a similar contrast was observed when a sample of autistic adults was compared with a sample of nonautistic adults.We conclude that intelligence has been underestimated in autistics.


Quote:
These data challenge the assumption that autistic intelligence is only simple, low-level, perceptual expertise, which enables autistics to solve only tasks based on rote memory or the manipulation of geometric cubes, such as the Block Design task. Although autistics can be described as possessing enhanced perceptual functioning (Mottron, Dawson, Soulie` res, Hubert, & Burack, 2006), their performance on the Block Design subtest is correlated with their performance on the other Wechsler subtests (e.g., for the autistic children in the current study, r5.65, prep5.986). In addition, when autistics perform a series of Block Design tasks, altered so as to be optimally solved either through perception of local details or through configural processing, they display more versatility and better performance than nonautistics (Caron, Mottron, Berthiaume, & Dawson, 2006). Furthermore, in the current study, the relative difficulty of the 60 Raven’s Progressive Matrices items was highly correlated between the autistic and nonautistic children, r(58) 5 .96, suggesting that the test measured the same construct in the two groups. We have shown that autistics are not disproportionately impaired on a test of fluid intelligence, as many current theories of autism predict they should be. Instead of being limited to isolated Wechsler subtests assumed to measure only low-level rote memory and perception, autistic intelligence is manifested on the most complex single test of general intelligence in the literature. Although autistics no doubt deploy atypical cognitive processes in performing many tasks, we strongly caution against declaring these processes dysfunctional or assuming that autistics’ peaks and troughs on Wechsler scales ‘‘flout the premise of . . . general intelligence’’ (Scheuffgen, Happe´ , Anderson, &Frith, 2000, pp. 83–84).



This article is about Asperger:
http://www.freewebs.com/adiscussion/Sup ... sorder.pdf

Quote:
In the present study, we investigated abstract reasoning ability, whose form of intelligence has been labeled fluid intelligence in the theory of Cattell [Cattell, R. B. (1963). Theory of fluid and crystallized intelligence: A critical experiment. Journal of Educational Psychology, 54, 1–22.], in children with Asperger’s disorder. A test of fluid intelligence, the Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices Test, was administered to 17 children with Asperger’s disorder and 17 age-, gender-, and FIQ-matched normal children. The results showed that children with Asperger’s disorder outperformed on the test of fluid reasoning than typically developing children. We suggest that individuals with Asperger’s disorder have higher fluid reasoning ability than normal individuals, highlighting superior fluid intelligence.


Quote:
...t the AD group (41.1 ± 9.3) made significantly more correct responses than the NC group (30.7 ± 10.3) [t(32) = 3.08, p < .01, Cohen’s ds = 1.05].
...Regarding the boys, the AD group (46.0 ± 2.6) outperformed the NC group (26.0 ± 2.6) [ds = 2.48]. On the other hand, the girls in the AD group (34.0 ± 3.0) showed the equivalent number of correct responses to the girls in the NC group (37.4 ± 3.0) [ds = 0.42]...
...The results of this study suggested that boys with Asperger’s disorder particularly performed better on the RSPM. It might be because that males are better at ‘systemizing’, that is, ‘to predict and to respond to the behavior of nonagentive deterministic systems by analyzing rules that govern such systems’ (Baron-Cohen, 2002)...


Autistic and Asperger's
Quote:
Recently, an interesting study of autistic intelligence has been published (Dawson et al., 2007). In this study, autistic children showed high scores on the RSPM. However, the percentile score on the RSPM were higher than the percentile scores on the Wechsler scales of intelligence in autistic children, while typically developing children did not show such discrepancy. The results of this study suggested that intelligence has been underestimated in autistics. Although this study was conducted to children with autism, and some autistics included IQ score below the average, indicating ‘low-functioning’ autism, our participants included children with Asperger’s disorder who had average or high IQ scores. Nevertheless, the results of our study were in line with those of the study by Dawson and colleagues (2007), since Asperger’s disorder shares the same clinical features to autism in poor social communication and is considered as one of autistic spectrum disorders (Wing, 1981). Recent cognitive neuroscience studies showed that analytic reasoning activates the left frontal cortex (Prabhakaran, Smith, Desmond, Glover, & Gabrieli, 1997; Wharton et al., 2000). Moreover, general fluid intelligence reflects the function of a specific neural system, including the lateral frontal cortex as one major part (Duncan et al., 2000; Gray et al., 2003). Thus, the left lateral frontal function may play an important role for fluid reasoning, and our results of superior fluid intelligence in Asperger’s disorder may imply the unique involvement in the left frontal lobe functioning.


_________________
Planes are tested by how well they fly, not by comparing them to birds.


Last edited by Nightsun on 22 Dec 2009, 7:45 am, edited 2 times in total.

Aimless
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Apr 2009
Age: 68
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,187

22 Dec 2009, 7:34 am

Can you define fluid reasoning for me?


_________________
Detach ed


Nightsun
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 567
Location: Rome - Italy

22 Dec 2009, 7:49 am

Aimless wrote:
Can you define fluid reasoning for me?


In psychology, fluid and crystallized intelligence (abbreviated Gf and Gc, respectively) are factors of general intelligence originally identified by Raymond Cattell.
Fluid intelligence is the ability to find meaning in confusion and solve new problems. It is the ability to draw inferences and understand the relationships of various concepts, independent of acquired knowledge. Crystallized intelligence is the ability to use skills, knowledge, and experience. It should not be equated with memory or knowledge, but it does rely on accessing information from long-term memory. The terms are somewhat misleading because one is not a "crystallized" form of the other. Rather, they are believed to be separate neural and mental systems.

Fluid and crystallized intelligence are correlated with each other, and most IQ tests attempt to measure both varieties. For example, the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) measures fluid intelligence on the performance scale and crystallized intelligence on the verbal scale. The overall IQ score is based on a combination of these two scales. People with a high capacity of Gf tend to acquire more Gc knowledge and at faster rates.

Fluid intelligence includes such abilities as problem-solving, learning, and pattern recognition. The Cattell Culture Fair IQ test, the Raven Progressive Matrices, and the performance subscale of the WAIS are measures of Gf.

Raven Progressive Matrices is the test with the highest load of G (general intelligence) and in particular of Gf (Fluid intelligence).


_________________
Planes are tested by how well they fly, not by comparing them to birds.


Aimless
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Apr 2009
Age: 68
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,187

22 Dec 2009, 8:06 am

Thanks. :)


_________________
Detach ed


PlatedDrake
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,365
Location: Piedmont Region, NC, USA

22 Dec 2009, 10:32 am

One way to look at it is:

Fluid intelligence: can follow the flow and patterns (like a winding river) of a problem in an effort to solve.

Crystallized Intelligence: Using experience (formed and molded from life as it were, like a crystal formation) to solve problems.

Whoever came up with these terms was likely trying to sound wise and metaphorical. :P

That aside, this is interesting information. Guess one could say Autists are more in tune with their minds/brains (even though we get sucked into our own thoughts very easily . . . but it obviously has its advantages when handling problems).



Meadow
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Dec 2009
Age: 65
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,067

22 Dec 2009, 11:40 am

This is really interesting and perhaps supports the premise that there is brain compensation where a concordant deficit is found, and the intelligence that exists has been underestimated.



Tollorin
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,178
Location: Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada

22 Dec 2009, 11:56 am

There is a study who show more little dispranency in their finding. http://www.springerlink.com/content/5803h01478m6t560/fulltext.pdf


_________________
Down with speculators!! !


kingtut3
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 18 Aug 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 354

22 Dec 2009, 11:58 am

My verbal IQ is 119 and my performance IQ is 109. I guess that means that I have more crystallized intelligence.



Willard
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,647

22 Dec 2009, 4:33 pm

Nightsun wrote:
In psychology, fluid and crystallized intelligence (abbreviated Gf and Gc, respectively) are factors of general intelligence originally identified by Raymond Cattell.
Fluid intelligence is the ability to find meaning in confusion and solve new problems. It is the ability to draw inferences and understand the relationships of various concepts, independent of acquired knowledge.



This would go a long way toward explaining the Aspergian tendency to acquire tremendous vocabulary at an early age - we have a knack for absorbing meaning from context, by recognizing patterns and associations that may seem a chaotic jumble to the NT brain, without having to be taught instance by instance.



Nightsun
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 567
Location: Rome - Italy

23 Dec 2009, 5:14 am

kingtut3 wrote:
My verbal IQ is 119 and my performance IQ is 109. I guess that means that I have more crystallized intelligence.


Performance IQ is usually lower than verbal IQ in Asperger that's why before those study reported psicologist belived that Asperger/Autistic had more crystallized intelligence than fluid intelligence. Instead the test done with Raven's Matrices show the opposite. The reason is that while Raven is abstract, performance is "material". Basically we have more fluid intelligence than NT but we are able to apply it only on abstract things while failing at applying it on concrete things. Obviosly failing is "relative", just say "less able".


_________________
Planes are tested by how well they fly, not by comparing them to birds.


Nightsun
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 567
Location: Rome - Italy

23 Dec 2009, 5:26 am

Tollorin wrote:
There is a study who show more little dispranency in their finding. http://www.springerlink.com/content/5803h01478m6t560/fulltext.pdf


Looking at that study the sample choce of autistic/NT seems biased to me.


_________________
Planes are tested by how well they fly, not by comparing them to birds.


Tollorin
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,178
Location: Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada

24 Dec 2009, 1:24 am

Nightsun wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
There is a study who show more little dispranency in their finding. http://www.springerlink.com/content/5803h01478m6t560/fulltext.pdf


Looking at that study the sample choce of autistic/NT seems biased to me.


What do you see as biased in it?

I found a blog message quite critical about the Dawson study, it also proposing sone kind of "compensation" with the occopital lobe as explication for the godd scores in the Raven. (I guess I'm not that smart then. :( ) http://www.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-spectrum-article/dr-mottron-how-can-dr-souleries-new-study-help-educators-capitalize-on-autistic-s-abilities/722178


_________________
Down with speculators!! !


Nightsun
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 567
Location: Rome - Italy

24 Dec 2009, 3:39 am

For istance they took into account only autistic children and young while NT's are mainly adults. The % of male/female is not the same and as Dawson said girl's doesn't show a big difference in Raven's Test. And still, autistic score higher in Raven's also in the study that you reported.


_________________
Planes are tested by how well they fly, not by comparing them to birds.