The "politeness will get you a long way" lie

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24 Apr 2008, 12:19 pm

This has been a scenario on public intercity buses more than a couple times: as the journey progresses, I start feeling more and more trapped, lacking air, suffocating, barely able to sit in my own seat, shoved to one side. That is until I raise one foot and place it on my thigh so that the sole faces the person sitting next to me - when they come a millimeter closer, their thigh is covered in lime. In a split second, I get back all the room my comfortable seat has to offer, plus all the fresh air I need.

All the polite requests and the gentle hints (by stirring lightly) that they were smearing themselves on my seat and my body did NOTHING for them to stop.


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24 Apr 2008, 12:33 pm

I've walked into a local coffee house that caters to the mainstream population, yesterday afternoon just to see if they were hiring. Some loser that I went to school with, for a year, in Grade 1 called me by a very old nickname that I called myself, back than. I was standing in line, for three minutes and decided that I would come back, later. That same guy said, "Little ret*d!" in that same high-pitched voice, that he called me the ancient nickname. I've walked back in there, and said in an assertive way, "If any of you have anything insulting to say, about my intelligence, I want you to say it, to my face!"


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24 Apr 2008, 12:37 pm

Wow. That person is seriously disturbed... I'm sorry you had to be in the same space as them. I'll bet that they only have mean friends, and they spend a lot of time making other people feel bad.

Want to know a way to get back at them? Next time you see them, just look at them like you feel really, really sorry for them. Shake your head. And walk away... It will drive the a**hole nuts.



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24 Apr 2008, 12:41 pm

Politeness will in fact get you a long way in most situations. Feeling like a sardine in a can on intercity buses is one of those situations in which you assume everyone is at least as polite as you are while you are trying to be polite. Since bus-people usually don't converse or even make eye-contact ... not really a socially inviting situation.

Rudeness will get you much farther than politeness, but in the wrong direction. Much easier to make someone dislike you than to have them think you're a swell guy.

When I was a lad, I had to instensively be taught the art of social graces. For an Aspie kid, it was a very ardurous program indeed. Damn, what was the quaint saying about honey and vinegar? Damn ...



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24 Apr 2008, 12:43 pm

Greentea wrote:
This has been a scenario on public intercity buses more than a couple times: as the journey progresses, I start feeling more and more trapped, lacking air, suffocating, barely able to sit in my own seat, shoved to one side. That is until I raise one foot and place it on my thigh so that the sole faces the person sitting next to me - when they come a millimeter closer, their thigh is covered in lime. In a split second, I get back all the room my comfortable seat has to offer, plus all the fresh air I need.

All the polite requests and the gentle hints (by stirring lightly) that they were smearing themselves on my seat and my body did NOTHING for them to stop.


Wait ... you're walking around in LIME? That stuff is toxic!



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24 Apr 2008, 12:46 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I've walked into a local coffee house that caters to the mainstream population, yesterday afternoon just to see if they were hiring. Some loser that I went to school with, for a year, in Grade 1 called me by a very old nickname that I called myself, back than. I was standing in line, for three minutes and decided that I would come back, later. That same guy said, "Little ret*d!" in that same high-pitched voice, that he called me the ancient nickname. I've walked back in there, and said in an assertive way, "If any of you have anything insulting to say, about my intelligence, I want you to say it, to my face!"

People like this could benefit from being knocked on their ass. Nice job of showing him for the punk that he is. :D



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24 Apr 2008, 1:00 pm

Isn't lime what you use to speed up the decomposition process in biological matter? Like, say, if you were trying to get rid of a body...



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24 Apr 2008, 1:09 pm

I thought they mixed lime with lager... :drunken:

Seriously though, everybody operates on a "carrot and stick" basis. With some people you have to use the carrot (e.g. politeness), with others the stick (e.g. act threatening). Knowing when to use which is difficult, even for NTs.



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24 Apr 2008, 1:13 pm

Cockneyrebel, you done good. Assertive, not violent, and calling him on something in front of others means he'll think twice about doing it again. I'm proud of you.

Once, some of the teen grocery baggers were insulting each other, jovially calling each other 'ret*d'. I kept quiet till I got alone with one of them putting groceries in my car when I said gently, "I don't mind you calling each other names, but I wish you would pick a name that doesn't sound like you are insulting my ret*d daughter." The poor guy nearly fell down apologizing. And I never heard it happen in the store again.



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24 Apr 2008, 1:15 pm

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The poor guy nearly fell down apologizing. And I never heard it happen in the store again.


Nicely done. That's how I got all the little twerps to stop using 'rape' in Barrens Chat on WoW... Not from a personal experience, but getting them to really *think* about what they were saying. I even got some sincere apologies. Maybe they've gone back to doing it in my absence, but my crusade was effective for about 5 months.



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24 Apr 2008, 1:19 pm

But ... but you referred to your own daugter using the word you objected to. :scratch:

Doesn't that make you complicit?



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24 Apr 2008, 1:22 pm

'ret*d' and 'ret*d' are not the same word, and 'ret*d' used as an insult is not the same as 'ret*d' used as an adjective. (Some people find any use of the word offensive, other people find any use of the word as an insult offensive.)


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24 Apr 2008, 1:26 pm

Icheb wrote:
I thought they mixed lime with lager... :drunken:

Seriously though, everybody operates on a "carrot and stick" basis. With some people you have to use the carrot (e.g. politeness), with others the stick (e.g. act threatening). Knowing when to use which is difficult, even for NTs.


You misunderstand the metaphor. It's "Carrot On a Stick," not "Carrot & Stick."

It means when you string someone along with promise of a reward that is never given. If I sat on a donkey's back and dangled the carrot on a stick in front of him, he'd think he could get the carrot if he just keeps going for it. But of course the carrot is dangling on a stick, and the stick is in my hands, and I am sitting on his back. So no matter how far he goes, donkey will never get that carrot. Unless I decide to let him have it.

And that is the metaphor you were thinking of.



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24 Apr 2008, 1:32 pm

wikipedia wrote:
Carrot and stick (also spelled "carrot-and-stick") is an idiom used to refer to the act of rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior. The carrot represents the edible reward, while the stick refers to a punishing switch. The earliest citation of this expression recorded by the Supplement to the Oxford English Dictionary is to The Economist magazine in the December 11, 1948, issue. The Supplement also depicts a person trying to entice a donkey to move by dangling a carrot in front of it.



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24 Apr 2008, 1:35 pm

in my experience, politeness has always worked well for me. :D


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24 Apr 2008, 1:35 pm

anbuend wrote:
'ret*d' and 'ret*d' are not the same word, and 'ret*d' used as an insult is not the same as 'ret*d' used as an adjective. (Some people find any use of the word offensive, other people find any use of the word as an insult offensive.)


Funny thing about "ret*d" as an insult is that it's a completely accurate. It means, "Slowed down." Literally, calling someone a ret*d means calling them a Slow. Again, not too off the mark.

But it's used as an insult as often as in psychiatric journals. BTW "moron" and "idiot" were orignally psychiatric jargon. On a sliding scale, one was considered lower than the other. Anyone know if a moron is lower than an idoit? For serious.



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