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Reodor_Felgen
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24 Apr 2008, 6:56 am

You're either born with an ASD or you're not born with an ASD. In other words: It can't be caused by concussions.


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24 Apr 2008, 9:02 am

You are born with the propensity for AS. But TBI can mimic autism rather successfully.


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24 Apr 2008, 10:04 am

hope hospital [a hospital that partly specialises in neurology] refused to diagnose am with autism as a baby/toddler despite being very obvious,the reason given to mum and dad was there was no obvious brain damage showing up on scans so even though it looked like autism,it wasnt.
though that is the reverse of what are saying,as there is now more than one cause known.

Am think it would have to be very specific brain damage if it's going to be a cause of autism or as,am know there a lot of different brain damage can mimic an ASD,having seen programmes about it,to someone who didnt know them they would probably assume are autistic.
am dont think autism or as are aquired conditions,but will wait and see what eventually comes up as causes.


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24 Apr 2008, 10:18 am

its a possibility



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24 Apr 2008, 11:18 am

Sora wrote:
Brain damage due to injuries can make a person be diagnosed with autism. They can suddenly behave autistic and are indistinguishable from other people who were also diagnosed with autism.

Now, I think it's pointless to debate whether they really have autism now.

Because we don't know what autism is yet! What can cause it, how many causes there are etc...

I doubt taking all autistic people (or just all WP into consideration) that all our autism was caused exactly the same.

Just think of this:

In two bakeries, they can each make a muffin. In the end: They look the same, taste the same, feel the same.

You'd say, hey, these are both muffins! Because obviously, both are muffins.

They have been made very differently though. But still, both behave like muffins.

(Heh, I was recently wondering about that. What people would do if all causes for autism were known.)


I like that :D makes sense to me. :D


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24 Apr 2008, 8:44 pm

I've been told brain damage doesn't cause AS but it can cause the behavior but it doesn't make you have the condition. My boyfriend thought he might be autistic but his online friend told him he isn't because he has brain damage since birth. But he is effected in the same area where we are effected. But he seems to do good with people and emotions and he told me he doesn't do good. :?
Must be his perspective or I just don't see it.
But he does read me wrong though so that could explain why his dad always got mad at him and told him to stop reading him because he was figuring them out wrong and he thought it was because he could still see it while his dad was trying to hide what he is feeling so other people can't see it. It is annoying when people keep assuming how you are feeling and they don't listen when you correct them. So annoying. :x



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28 Apr 2008, 8:15 pm

My AS actually got worse on me after head injuries, I believe.

Cases in point, getting hit in the head with balls at school. I seemed to be a magnet for misthrows. Dodgeballs, volleyballs, and one memorable time, a football, misthrown hard. Really hard. Whistling, actually. I wondered about the sound before my head started to hurt and my glasses shattered. Then came the nice people who escorted me to the school office, and the nice secretary who gave me ice. And the nice day off from school. And the nice new glasses.

But anyways, I digress.

Just because someone isn't a muffin in a certain way doesn't negate that they're a muffin, if not by the strictest categorization of muffiny standards. They still have the needs of a muffin.
Now I want to eat a muffin... :P


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29 Apr 2008, 9:42 am

mmmm muffins :D


lol...

I believe that there definitely are simalarities...

eg noise.. People with head injuries can hear things 50% louder than others..
Like aspergers We/Some can hear the fridge hum.. clock tick etc... and get overwhelmed by noise like head injuries..

light might be another one...

what else is there... mmm... sure theres more...

interesting :P



29 Apr 2008, 7:30 pm

Doesn't everyone hear clocks tick and hear the refrigerator? :?



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29 Apr 2008, 8:06 pm

There is an injury that looks like PTSD, which comes from being too close to a powerful explosion. But you're not likely to have it unless you're a vet. The brain, by and large, is pretty well protected. There's the scalp, the skull, and a layer of fluid. They do a pretty good job. Even against some things that you might think would mess up the brain (like getting thrown throw a windshield in a car accident, or hitting a dash board....which causes the brain to swell, but once the swelling goes down (if you live through it) most people are fine. It does mess up the memory, but it doesn't cause AS. Brain injuries are extremely complicated, there is a whole field of medicine that studies them. Rode a medivac helicopter with a young woman who had been slammed head first into an engine block at what the cops figured was 30 miles an hour (no I wasn't in the accident). At one point, she was awake before they operated, and, because I was the one with the movie camera, she started to try to talk to me. I said nothing (those were the rules) except I'll get a doctor if you want to talk. Two months later, I was eating lunch in the same hospital, and this pretty young woman on crutches sits down across from me, sees the video camera and says "remember me? I met you in an operating room a few months ago." I don't know how she pulled through it, but one of the doctors later said it was the fact that her skull and aricnoid fluid protected her brain. So no, I don't think a head injury can cause AS. Death, yes. but not AS.

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29 Apr 2008, 8:20 pm

Isn't Savant syndrome sometimes caused by head trauma/brain damage?



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29 Apr 2008, 8:44 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Doesn't everyone hear clocks tick and hear the refrigerator? :?


Yes, but I guess these sounds may be more annoying to Aspies.



29 Apr 2008, 8:47 pm

jason_b1980 wrote:
Isn't Savant syndrome sometimes caused by head trauma/brain damage?


Yes.



29 Apr 2008, 8:49 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
Doesn't everyone hear clocks tick and hear the refrigerator? :?


Yes, but I guess these sounds may be more annoying to Aspies.


Or louder, so I see their point now. I can block out clocks ticking and forget about the refrigerator humming. Plus TV blocks out the sound of my clock pretty much.



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26 Sep 2010, 6:09 pm

MeloJag wrote:
Can AS be caused by Brain injury as a young child? Im not sure how old I was but I believe younger than 4. My mom dropped me in a washing machine and the front of my skull is permanently deformed because of it. I cant help but think that MAYBE this has something to do with it.


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My understanding is:

When Asperger is caused by a brain injury after birth, it is called Acquired Asperger.

http://www.sportsconcussions.org/

The whole area of brain injuries/concussions has a lot to offer about understanding functions such as paying attention and memory. In the past, brain injuries and concussions were regularly overlooked or dismissed as inconsequential - especially by some parts of professional sports such as football but that is slowly changing today - year 2010.



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26 Sep 2010, 11:25 pm

Wow! I cant believe im seeing a thread back up more than 2 years after starting it. Thanks for the link though, you always have good links and are helpful.