Chelating kids... what happens when they are adults?

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03 May 2008, 8:37 pm

Parents who chelate their children basically take all the bad stuff out of them like mercury, yeast and everything after shot after shot and put them on this or that diet so the child "recovers" as they call it, or just becomes more high functioning... Now what happens when that child becomes an adult lives on their own, encounters stuff like mercury, etc and it enters the body all over again, or when those children become adults on their own, probably do their own methods and diets, if all of a sudden their back to that "lower" functioning autistic self or just more autistic, but now as an adult? and if in that case, wouldn't they be completely clueless and probably not do well in life? will they become all of a sudden depressed again? won't their be tons of lawsuits going on?

What does everybody else think? I was wondering about that, like stuff parents do to their children, like what happens when that child hits adulthood and is totally clueless you know?





Usually I dont post as much, but every now and then these questions ponder in my mind, and i just let them go, but since im near the computer today i decided to put them down, see everybody elses opinion lol


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03 May 2008, 8:39 pm

A reverse plecebo effect I suppose.



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03 May 2008, 9:59 pm

Hmm, that's a really good question. Now I'm curious!


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04 May 2008, 12:17 am

Hmmm...I guess it depends if they were ever aware of what was going on in the first place.



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04 May 2008, 12:21 am

I suppose it depends on bodily development. As youngsters, a lot is coming into place in terms of size, gender rolls, etc. Once adults, they might cause some basic effects, but as scientists always say 'further study is needed'



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04 May 2008, 1:14 am

You've already assumed that it has an objectively observable effect, which it hasn't. Given that it has no effect, except on the parent's internal believes and perceptions and their wallets, I suspect the worsened financial position of the parents will have a negative impact as they'd be less able to help funding the care, counseling, schooling and support that could actually really make a diference.



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04 May 2008, 7:14 am

Course it has an effect; it gets rid of the heavy metals...

I guess either the effects of the metals would start kicking in again (unless the person was careful to avoid them; i.e. had no amalgam fillings, avoided vaccines, didn't eat much fish, etc) and they'd eventually try the therapy again, or their body would be able to deal with it better as the person grew older and stronger and it wouldn't present as big a problem as it had initially when the body was literally unable to function due to metal overload and being so small and young.


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04 May 2008, 12:18 pm

And what evidence is there that these children are injured by "heavy metals" to begin with? I'm tired of people minimizing the severity of metal poisoning. True metal poisoning can be medically detected, not just inferred, and it comes with a very specific set of symptoms which are not only different from those of autism, but can be fatal. If someone truly believes they or their kid is affected by heavy metals, they need to see a toxicologist. "Alternative" practitioners who prescribe off-label uses for potent IV drugs are not people with whom to entrust one's health. Even in many cases of legitimate heavy metal poisoning, many toxicologists will not simply prescribe chelation as a first line of action. They recognize that it's not a drug to be used lightly. Medicine is a science best left to studied physicians.

BTW, I always find it odd when "alternative" medicine proponents advocate chelation. Who do you think invented chelation? Yes, that's right--those evil pharmaceutical companies.



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04 May 2008, 12:32 pm

I think there is always a case for the placebo effect, but at some point you have to determine whether the side-effects of the placebo outweigh the benefits. These side effects can be from actual medical side-effects, or in the form of lost time, money and psychological dependence on the placebo.

People who have their children go the placebo route with chelation err on the side of placebo benefits, because they often spend all their money and time on "cures" because of overwhelming guilt for "allowing" their kids to "catch" autism. However an adult with autism might not have these factors motivating them. And unless the supposed reasons for chelation are driven into them constantly, along with a fear that they will get worse unless they continue, I'd say most probably won't continue it into adulthood.

I suppose it's hard to say since chelation is a relatively new thing, we might have to wait 15 years or so and ask those kids who have had it.



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04 May 2008, 12:56 pm

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And what evidence is there that these children are injured by "heavy metals" to begin with? I'm tired of people minimizing the severity of metal poisoning. True metal poisoning can be medically detected, not just inferred, and it comes with a very specific set of symptoms which are not only different from those of autism, but can be fatal. If someone truly believes they or their kid is affected by heavy metals, they need to see a toxicologist. "Alternative" practitioners who prescribe off-label uses for potent IV drugs are not people with whom to entrust one's health. Even in many cases of legitimate heavy metal poisoning, many toxicologists will not simply prescribe chelation as a first line of action. They recognize that it's not a drug to be used lightly. Medicine is a science best left to studied physicians.

BTW, I always find it odd when "alternative" medicine proponents advocate chelation. Who do you think invented chelation? Yes, that's right--those evil pharmaceutical companies.


I didn't say anything about whether or not there's any evidence they are injured by them; I said if you chelate then you're getting rid of heavy metals. Which is what the chelating agents do, regardless of the effect or whether the child is injured by them. We all have heavy metals in our body, whether we like it or not and whether we agree on the effects they have or not. If you're chelating then you're getting rid of them. The effect that has on someone is up for debate, but the physiological effect - i.e. removal of those metals - is not. :roll:


And what do you consider 'alternative' medicine? I have major problems with people who slag off 'alternative medicine' without justifying why they're slagging it off, what's wrong with it, which different medical practices they're including in their rant, why it doesn't work, and proving exactly how much more useful their 'real' medicine is (despite all the lies, deceit, fraud, false results, doctored studies, and proof that half it doesn't work at all). :evil:


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04 May 2008, 1:13 pm

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I didn't say anything about whether or not there's any evidence they are injured by them; I said if you chelate then you're getting rid of heavy metals. Which is what the chelating agents do, regardless of the effect or whether the child is injured by them. We all have heavy metals in our body, whether we like it or not and whether we agree on the effects they have or not. If you're chelating then you're getting rid of them. The effect that has on someone is up for debate, but the physiological effect - i.e. removal of those metals - is not. :roll:


FYI, if your body had all it's iron removed, you would die.



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04 May 2008, 3:16 pm

I'm effected by Heavy Metal. :twisted: I have Classic Rock Autism. :D

Sorry, couldn't help it. :oops:



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04 May 2008, 3:30 pm

According to the American Cancer Society Chelation therapy causes the following side effects:

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Available scientific evidence does not support claims that chelation therapy is a safe treatment for any type of cancer. Chelation therapy may produce toxic effects, including kidney damage, irregular heart beat, and swelling of the veins. It may also cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and temporary lowering of blood pressure.

Since the therapy removes minerals from the body, there is a risk of developing low calcium levels (hypocalcemia) and bone damage. Chelation therapy may also impair the immune system and decrease the body's ability to produce insulin. People may also feel pain at the site of EDTA injection.

Chelation therapy may be dangerous in people with kidney disease, liver disease, or bleeding disorders. Women who are pregnant or breast-feeding should not use this method.

Chelation therapy is often given along with large doses of vitamins and other minerals, which may actually contribute to the processes that produce dangerous free radicals in the body. Loss of zinc can also lead to changes (mutations) in cells. For this reason, chelation therapy may actually increase the risk of cancer.

The possible interactions between chelation therapy and prescription or over-the-counter medicines are not entirely known.

Relying on this type of treatment alone, and avoiding or delaying conventional medical care, may have serious health consequences.



http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/conte ... herapy.asp


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04 May 2008, 5:57 pm

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I didn't say anything about whether or not there's any evidence they are injured by them; I said if you chelate then you're getting rid of heavy metals. Which is what the chelating agents do, regardless of the effect or whether the child is injured by them. We all have heavy metals in our body, whether we like it or not and whether we agree on the effects they have or not. If you're chelating then you're getting rid of them. The effect that has on someone is up for debate, but the physiological effect - i.e. removal of those metals - is not. :roll:


FYI, if your body had all it's iron removed, you would die.



Course it would, which is why if you're going to go down the chelation route because you think it might be beneficial then you need to do it properly and go to a known and respected and EXPERIENCED practitioner and toxicologist.

I have nothing against those who want to do it if they think it'll help, as long as they keep the safety of the kid involved at the forefront of their minds and do it properly.

The point was, though, that yes chelation does have an effect; that which is it designed to do - chelating heavy metals. The rest is subjective and anecdotal, but it will have an effect on the body.


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04 May 2008, 5:58 pm

I wouldn't listen to the American Cancer Society - remember, these are the guys who are still encouraging everyone to stay out of the sun, slather on carcinogenic sunscreen, and who deny vitamins and nutrition have any effect on health. :lol:


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04 May 2008, 6:42 pm

The body could have gotten used to the absense of these things and are not effected by it. The could be worse for that same reason. The body doesn't know how to react to it so there is no immunity or partial immunity if the stuff had been in there body constantly.
I have not read much on the subject and I can't recall any longterm effects.