National Autistic Society Befriender Scheme talk

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10 May 2008, 4:48 pm

I did a talk at a training session for the NAS befriender scheme that I'm involved in. I've done my training already. This is a scheme were members of the public volunteer to befriend individuals on the spectrum that have opted in to the scheme. You are matched with a befrendee, and their family if they are still a minor (pending criminal checks an references).

I was a little nervous, but I think it went quite well.

When I got home I was pacing around for an hour (I pace to express emotion and to think). Now I'm knackered but relieved.

The first part of my talk was about my life and my experiences of living with ASD, which I won't bore you with. The second part starts off with what I think the public perception of ASD and everything else currently is, which is not merely a guess but how I have seen it described even by quite well respected representatives and organisations. I decided early on that I was going to be quite provocative. Not to be needlessly offensive but to illustrate the point and provide and all round perception from the extremely ignorant to the average. So I told them not to be offended. Then afterwards I describe how I like to think of ASD and everything else, which is basically my Autistic Spectrum Components concept. I made clear that neither of them were the views of the NAS, and the first one wasn't my view either. I didn't write notes but a rough transcript is as follows:

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PUTS UP THIS DIAGRAM:
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Like I said this is the 1 Dimensional 'Straight Line' Model

What you have here is a straight line with Lower Functioning Autism at one end and Higher Functioning Autism at the other. Then you have various other labels such as Aspergers’s, and Non-Verbal learning Disorder that are almost joined to the spectrum by a broken line in some peoples’ view, and also PDD-NOS dotted about the place.


WAS ASKED TO EXPLAIN PDD-NOS BY TRAINER

PDD stands for Pervasive Development Disorder. PDDs are wider than clinical ASD and include various developmental conditions such as schizophrenia, Retts Syndrome, Childhood Degenerative Disorder, etc.

NOS stands for Not Otherwise Specified. It is used in medicine as a placeholder diagnosis when a specific condition cannot be diagnosed at the time. However some ‘experts’ get confused by this and treat PDD-NOS as if it was a specific type of Autism, but none of these ‘experts’ can agree on what exactly that is. It is mildly amusing seeing them argue about the various positions that the PDD-NOS label is placed on the ‘straight line’ model considering it needn’t imply autism in the first place.


LAUGHTER

OK, as I said you’ve got lower functioning and higher functioning autism. There is dividing line between the two here at the IQ of 70. Anyone with an IQ under 70 is ‘lower functioning’. Anyone with an IQ of 70 or higher is ‘higher functioning’.

Just under the IQ of 70 you’ve got ‘Moron’…let me write that
(WRITES ON WITH MARKER)…also known as ‘Henry Goddard’.

LAUGHTER

Does anyone know who Henry Goddard is?

AUDIENCE REPLIES ‘NO’

Henry Goddard came up with the word ‘Moron’ (from Greek ‘Moros’ meaning dull), in order to signify anyone with an IQ of 51-70.

He also used other words such as Imbecile and Idiot to describe people he termed ‘Feeble-minded’, or having a tendency toward mental retardation.

He was a famous psychologist and social eugenicist in the early 20th century. He believed that ‘feeble-minded’ people should not be encouraged to breed. He was responsible for popularising the Binet scale on which these terms are based.

How would he have described higher functioning individuals? ‘Weirdness’ perhaps?

Well, I said I was going to talk about the perception of everything else. So we might as well put ‘Normals’ on there
(WRITES ON ‘NORMALS') You might as well have a barrier separating ‘Normals’ from Autistics (DRAWS ON WAVY LINE) Then you also have the ‘Mentally ill’ (WRITES ON), which as has also got a barrier. (DRAWS ON)

There could be a barrier between ‘Normals’ and ‘Mentals’ too, but you might as well put the autistics in-between to act as a buffer…

LAUGHTER

Ok…does anyone see anything wrong with this model? Say you have a point a long this line here, and you have two people that are presumably lie on this point. Obviously they are not the same person, but in terms of this model could you say they have the same 'functioning'?

VARIOUS ANSWERS. I ASK FOR THEM TO ELABORATE A BIT

SOMEONE REPLIES SAYING THAT THEY COULD EACH HAVE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES IN DIFFERENT AREAS


That’s pretty much right. The component traits that make up autism are not bolted together, they can move relative to one another for each individual. What the straight line model does is fixes all the components and flattens everything into a line as if it would be the same relative functioning all the way along. Also all these labels on and off the spectrum are pretty divisive and this IQ of 70 marker is completely arbitrary, there is no rhyme or reason for it being and indicator of functioning. As if IQ was the only thing needed to estimate a person’s level of functioning. You could have no arms or legs and have an IQ of 150, for example.

Now I’m going to talk about how I like to think of the spectrum and everything else


PUTS UP THIS DIAGRAM:
Autistic Spectrum Components

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# Repetitive Behaviours and Interests (RBI)
# Language (L)
# Planning, Organization and Concentration (POC)
# Imaging and Recall (IR)
# Reasoning and Problem solving (RP)
# Sensory (S)
# Motor (M)


I call it ‘Autistic Spectrum Components’, which is just a concept at the moment. We have here some hypothetical components on each axis of this radar chart/spider graph, which is not the concept itself but quite a good way of demonstrating the multidimensional aspect of the spectrum. You could represent the data in however way you wanted to. The concept itself is treating each component part of ASD as a sliding scale in itself, and then testing each of the established competent that make up ASC in order to provide a unique profile of the individual. Of course this means that there is a huge range of variability.

I WAS THEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHAT A RADAR CHART IS. *FACEPALMS*. I DO MY BEST TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS :oops:

This is meant to be a useful tool for analysis. There is nothing to stop un-established components from being tested either, they are just not part of the formal testing until they are established. The only set requirements are the components and their test. The rest has to be from a neutral standpoint. But anyone with a theory could use the data for their analysis.

I WAS THEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHAT COMPONENTS I AM USING IN CASE SOMEONE CAN’T SEE THEM. I READ THEM OUT.

I REALISE I’M MISSING ONE AND SOMEONE ASKS WHAT ‘SI’ STANDS FOR


‘SI’ stands for Social Impairment. That obviously quite an important one…trust me to leave that out!

LAUGHTER

The most important thing about this concept is it enables you to do away with the arbitrary historical labels such as AS,PDD-NOS, NLD, HFA, LFA should you wish, so you could just use ‘Autistic Spectrum Disorder’ for general situations. Then, if and when you need it, you could use ASC to provide a snapshot profile. The key word is ‘snapshot’. It is a word that would be derided by some traditionalists, who consider your point on their straight line model not to have any variability over time. This plot here (TRACE OVER PLOT LINE WITH FINGER) is a snapshot of a hypothetical person using ASC


That was basically it. I then went on to questions. There are some things I would have like to explain in more detail but the words didn’t come to me at the time, but overall I think I did OK. II'm not sure how well they understood it but hopefully I left an impression.



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10 May 2008, 5:21 pm

So, um, did RDOS get some credit? Nice talk though. I ALSO like the joke, even if unintended about your leaving out SI!



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10 May 2008, 5:22 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
So, um, did RDOS get some credit?

why?



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10 May 2008, 5:24 pm

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I ALSO like the joke, even if unintended about your leaving out SI!

My best jokes are unintended, and usually involve ASC. Don't go there... :lol:



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10 May 2008, 6:42 pm

usually when you present something to the public, it's at least good form to attribute your sources. The test could be copyrighted, in which case it could get sticky. Probably no harm done this time, but you might want to at least check with the author in the future. Otherwise people may think you were the one that came up with this in the first place.



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10 May 2008, 9:24 pm

Well done!

Was your talk video-ed? It would be great to see it on Youtube if it was.

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11 May 2008, 5:08 am

pakled wrote:
usually when you present something to the public, it's at least good form to attribute your sources. The test could be copyrighted, in which case it could get sticky. Probably no harm done this time, but you might want to at least check with the author in the future. Otherwise people may think you were the one that came up with this in the first place.


Um excuse me but let me clear up some misconception: rdos is NOT a source.

Read these:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf38379-0-150.html
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf38379-0-165.html


rdos wrote:
BTW, I haven't said anything about what you should do with ASC, or how you should set it up, I just offered you access to raw-data so you could improve the ASC. I thought your concept with the plots were nice, so I will implement this in the next stable version of Aspie-quiz as I've outlined above.


As you can see not only does ASC have nothing to do with RDOS's aspie test, but I came up with the idea of using a radar chart first. I even suplied him (and everyone) with the code to do likewise. The reason why he does not credit me is it is open source and I told him he didn't have to.


I'm surprised SteveK accused me of not citing, as he was one of the first to partake in my test.

Luckily I'm used to this sort of thing happening to me, but I can't say I'm not a tad annoyed TBA. I'll put it down to just a mistake.

Me and rdos disagree on some things but I respect his analytical thinking. He does not use a radar plot instead he has his own type of chart that is different from a radar plot, with some similarities.



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11 May 2008, 5:14 am

Smelena wrote:
Well done!

Was your talk video-ed? It would be great to see it on Youtube if it was.

Helen

Thanks. No I don't think so. They would have told me before.



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11 May 2008, 6:32 am

I like the multidimensional approach, and it's the best way to describe one's level of impairment.

To make it all encompassing, it'd probably be needed to include one's ability to function, i.e., do the repetitive behaviours and communication difficulties inhibit the individual in vocational/academic pursuits, not just social? As well as self-help skills and adaptive behaviour; learning difficulties too.

The "new" way that people propose: verbal IQ over 70/80 equating to AS, and those below such equating to Autism, is just as cookie cutter as the alphabet soup of labels (it just removes several, and doesn't explain the grand variability amongst the whole spectrum--the labels do at least explain a certain subset, even though most fall in the "we don't have a label for this" group, i.e., PDD-NOS).



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11 May 2008, 5:42 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
I like the multidimensional approach, and it's the best way to describe one's level of impairment.

To make it all encompassing, it'd probably be needed to include one's ability to function, i.e., do the repetitive behaviours and communication difficulties inhibit the individual in vocational/academic pursuits, not just social? As well as self-help skills and adaptive behaviour; learning difficulties too.


Absolutely the idea of ASC is to provide a better estimate of 'functioning'. How that could be calculated is debatable.

Danielismyname wrote:
The "new" way that people propose: verbal IQ over 70/80 equating to AS, and those below such equating to Autism, is just as cookie cutter as the alphabet soup of labels (it just removes several, and doesn't explain the grand variability amongst the whole spectrum--the labels do at least explain a certain subset, even though most fall in the "we don't have a label for this" group, i.e., PDD-NOS).

There is so many proposals. Luckily they won't agree on it, I don't think. I think they need to think about it some more.

One of the primary functions of ASC is to encourage more joined up thinking on the subject. It doesn't replace the time honored practice of independent research but it provides them with a resource that the can use an connects them to others that are doing likewise, and any advances along the way.

It is ironic and those that profess to be experts have such communication problems.