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15 May 2008, 2:32 pm

What is behind this apparently fabricated vaccines' scare?

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=822



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15 May 2008, 3:08 pm

It isn't fabricated, but I will agree that they do not cause autism.

The fact is that even trace amounts of mercury has been known to cause severe brain/neurological damage for decades. It's some serious bad stuff.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKuznYVn40s[/youtube]Vaccines used to be manufactured containing a trace amount in the form of thimerosal, which was used as a preservative. It was deemed to be "safe" by the FDA and similar government agencies around the world, but that was during the days when kids were only given 5-10, not like today when they are often given 30 or more. It was also during the days when autism wasn't well known, certainly not "milder" forms like AS, so not many were looking for such symptoms in children. And the connection had never been made, even though it is a fallacious one.

Since the controversy has become public, manufacturers have supposedly been forced to stop using thimerisol in children's vaccines, at least in the USA. However, the ones containing it already on the market did not have to be removed, and there was such a surplus out there from before that many still in use still contain it. Also adult vaccines, such as tetnis and flu shots still contain it.

I'll say again, there is little evidence that mercury causes autism. However, it is well known that frontal lobe brain damage can often cause some autism-like symptoms. So when kids who have the right genetic factors get a large number of simultaneous vaccines loaded with thimerosal, their brain cells are damaged as in the video above, and they start showing those symptoms. And that is why the CFGF diets, chelation (though dangerous for other reasons) and other detoxification treatments appear to cure them. The mercury is removed, and they are young enough that the shriveled up neurons are replaced over time. The thing both sides of the argument seems to be missing is that they never really had autism to begin with. But that doesn't mean that mercury shouldn't be avoided like the deadly poison that it is, or that all vaccines containing it shouldn't be taken off the market immediately.

Many argue that the vaccine scare is curebies grasping at straws - that their children were autistic all along and it is a coincidence that the time the symptoms start to show is the same as when most kids get their vaccines, but there have been too many cases of the onset appearing within hours of the shots for that to fly. Also, if that were the case, then the detox plans would not alleviate the symptoms.


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15 May 2008, 3:38 pm

Is there really murcury in tooth fillings and can gasses escape to do damage. I read that the governemtn in UK paid for people to have them removed but others see that as more harmful, as you may ingest some particles in removal. My dentist claims it is just an urban mythe...inquiring minds(and a person with bad teeth since childhoood) want to know.


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15 May 2008, 3:41 pm

I figure I'm gonna die or something eventually anyway, so while I'll live healthfully as much as I can, I've had mercury-laden teeth since childhood, so I have to deal with it.


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15 May 2008, 4:00 pm

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Is there really murcury in tooth fillings and can gasses escape to do damage. I read that the governemtn in UK paid for people to have them removed but others see that as more harmful, as you may ingest some particles in removal. My dentist claims it is just an urban mythe...inquiring minds(and a person with bad teeth since childhoood) want to know.


The amalgam fillings ('silver' 'grey' ones) do have mercury and yes, it does leach out of them slowly over time. You can get them removed and replaced with either composite/white fillings (not entirely safe as they have aluminium and other things, but much safer than mercury) or ceramic (virtually inert and the safest yet, but also most expensive). BUT if you do that you need to go to a dentist with experience in removing them safely and who is certified to do so, as if they don't put a 'plug' in to stop the gasses and any particles being swallowed (and poisoning you) then you can be in worse trouble than you were leaving them there in the first place!!

So no, it's not just an urban myth... your dentist sounds as clued-up as my old one (who ranted and raved when I told her I wouldn't buy her products as they have fluoride in them and refused to let her do a 'fluoride treatment' on my teeth, nevermind the fact that I've never used fluoride and my teeth are perfect, and moments before she'd been commenting on how lovely they were!!). ;)


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15 May 2008, 4:12 pm

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krex wrote:
Is there really murcury in tooth fillings and can gasses escape to do damage. I read that the governemtn in UK paid for people to have them removed but others see that as more harmful, as you may ingest some particles in removal. My dentist claims it is just an urban mythe...inquiring minds(and a person with bad teeth since childhoood) want to know.


The amalgam fillings ('silver' 'grey' ones) do have mercury and yes, it does leach out of them slowly over time. You can get them removed and replaced with either composite/white fillings (not entirely safe as they have aluminium and other things, but much safer than mercury) or ceramic (virtually inert and the safest yet, but also most expensive). BUT if you do that you need to go to a dentist with experience in removing them safely and who is certified to do so, as if they don't put a 'plug' in to stop the gasses and any particles being swallowed (and poisoning you) then you can be in worse trouble than you were leaving them there in the first place!!

So no, it's not just an urban myth... your dentist sounds as clued-up as my old one (who ranted and raved when I told her I wouldn't buy her products as they have fluoride in them and refused to let her do a 'fluoride treatment' on my teeth, nevermind the fact that I've never used fluoride and my teeth are perfect, and moments before she'd been commenting on how lovely they were!!). ;)


Sounds like my dentist. Yes I have mercury amalgam fillings, and I didn't realize that was what he was putting in until they were already in. (Hopefully I will be able to afford to have them removed one day). When I asked about it, he started to quote dogma from the ADA about how they were safe. So many dentists live and die by the ADA, but it's primary function is to make sure its members are successful. Fluoride is a whole different ball of wax... the nazi's used to put it in the water of their concentration camps to keep the prisoners docile. Now, chemical plants get PAID by water treatment facilities to dump their waste in our water, because apparently poor people can't afford to buy toothpaste for their children.

Conspiracy theorists say that both the mercury and fluoride we are being bombarded with is to deliberately dumb us down and make us more docile and incapable of critical thinking so our puppet masters can control us better. However, if the byproduct was autism, then somebody f***ed up somewhere cause we are anything but docile and unthinking.


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15 May 2008, 5:44 pm

Interesting trivia...I had very bad teeth as a kid(and now) it appear to be genetic as my mom had all hers pulled by 40<--poor.

I was given repeated fluoride treatments over the years and even talked into one as an adult last year. I also am hypothyroid perhaps a coincidence perhaps not but Fluoride was once used to stop hypothyroid, so there certainly is some relationship between the two. Also, if you go to websites that talk about side effects of low thyroid, you will see many autistic traits as well as bi-polar,anxiety and depression. I know that when my levels are up I am less depressed then I was before I began meds but mine continues to keep getting worse and no one has even addressed why this may be happening. I had switched to non-fluoride toothpaste and already drink filtered water(does that get rid of fluoride?) but my teeth are so bad and it is so expensive to get root canals/caps, I returned to fluoride toothpaste...no more fluoride trays though...there is no way not to swallow some of that and the taste alone is noxious.


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15 May 2008, 8:54 pm

You are always being exposed to low levels of toxins, though. Even in a completely natural environment you would be exposed to them. That's why we have different bodily systems that filter out various toxins, such as mercury, to which we are exposed throughout our lifetimes. Up to a certain amount, there is no danger because our bodies have no trouble getting rid of the substance. Many toxic substances are approved simply because they are thousands of times lower than the danger level. For example, the iodine in your salt is a deadly poison in large amounts; but one would be poisoned by the salt itself before the iodine became a problem. Literally every substance in the world is poisonous. You can die of drinking too much water. The problem isn't with exposure, but with overexposure.


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15 May 2008, 9:14 pm

Wasn't mercury that hat makers used that made them "mad as a hatter" or was that something else? I do recall reading about the wealthiest Romans having lead lined containers that they used for their wines. Maybe why Nero was fiddeling? Point being, every sciety thought they knew what was toxic and at what levels and some of them got it wrong...ooops. The governement can say that the level of toxins are safe but they can't know the environment of every individual...what if I have fillings and shots and (wasn't that same chemical i saline rinses for a while?" and I eat a lot of fish and happen to live in an area that has more of whatever chemical in the local soil and water supply. Now we are importing more and more goods,meds and foods from one of the most poluted countries in the world(poluted because we shipped out factorys there). Items that the government cann't afford to test more then 1% of before they reach us....ooops?


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15 May 2008, 9:15 pm

mercury causing autism...

is that something like the electromagnetic fields theory?



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15 May 2008, 9:42 pm

Probably.


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15 May 2008, 11:22 pm

heh people are dumb sometimes,

and yes they used mercury to make hats at one point



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16 May 2008, 1:26 am

Callista wrote:
That's why we have different bodily systems that filter out various toxins, such as mercury, to which we are exposed throughout our lifetimes. Up to a certain amount, there is no danger because our bodies have no trouble getting rid of the substance.


Agreed. However, notice I said the thimerasol only causes noticeable brain damage in those kids that have a certain genetic makeup - they have weaker filtration systems than most, hence are more susceptible to it. Otherwise, every child would develop problems after taking them.


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16 May 2008, 3:42 am

Oh hell yeah, I trust them completely.

Medical researchers aren't interested in money and status. Who would get the weird idea that somebody would become a doctor or go into medical research because they wanted a high paying, high status job.

That's why you always hear about doctors and medical researchers blowing the whistle on the multibillion dollar pharmaceutical companies that pay them.

And the pharmaceutical companies are only concerned about my health. Thats why they spend millions of dollars on TV commercials so I'll be educated enough to tell my doctor what prescription drugs I need.

Actually I don't have a doctor. I don't have access to any health care at all except whatever I might get from the VA. But I'm sure they're all concerned about my health. They say so all the time.

Of course it's a myth that vaccines cause autism. The corporations that make the vaccines say so, and so do the people who get money from them.


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16 May 2008, 10:07 am

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Oh hell yeah, I trust them completely.

Medical researchers aren't interested in money and status. Who would get the weird idea that somebody would become a doctor or go into medical research because they wanted a high paying, high status job.
...
And the pharmaceutical companies are only concerned about my health. Thats why they spend millions of dollars on TV commercials so I'll be educated enough to tell my doctor what prescription drugs I need.
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Of course it's a myth that vaccines cause autism. The corporations that make the vaccines say so, and so do the people who get money from them.


You hit the nail on the head. If you want to know what is really in vaccines, you should listen to some of the pioneers that developed them. As the interviews in the video below show, mercury is only the tip of the iceberg.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaokq8v9JPI[/youtube]


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16 May 2008, 3:44 pm

... O.o eep.
That's freaky