Who pities neurotypicals?

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Let's not pretend that being Neurotypical doesn't have its advantages. In a world that is made up mostly of NTs, being able to read social cues and faces, understand non-literal language and easily make and keep friends is an advantage. A social and psychological advantage. Most people here, from what I've read, seem to desire friendships but a lot of us struggle to get them, experiencing a great deal of pain and loneliness in the process. That's not an advantage.

I do pity some (I say some, not all) NTs for being fickle, untrustworthy, easily led and swayed by the majority and inconsiderate of, even hostile towards, those who have differences. Those personality traits are responsible for a lot of pain and suffering we see in the world, but these are not exclusively NT traits. Aspies can be intolerant, fickle and downright nasty, and I've seen plenty of it here on this board.

So, do I pity NTs? No, not for being who they are. They can't help having their brains wired differently. Mercilessly stereotyping them doesn't make us superior, either.

I would give everything I had to be one of them

So totally pity NTs; used to just call them "normals", often to their face. Have learned not to do this so much, but here it is for a select audience:
-Normals are offended by the idea that different exists -- can't be real, must be a threat, not good at sports.
-Normals get mad because learning is hard, and thinking is hard, but emoting all over the place is easy.
-Now if not confronted, normals very impressed, admiring even, especially if emoted at in predictable normal ways...
-...like noticing new articles of clothing and saying "sure" a lot when they prattle on how they emote about other normals emoting about yet other normals.
-Normals love their problems solved, nastily tend to take credit for socializing with the solution normals couldn't figure out, until weirdo here stuck it in their noggins.

Yes, pity and no small amount of resentment. Suppose it is a flaw in character, now that it is in the light of day. Still...

I think just saying "NTs" is too broad of a group. There's all kinds of NTs. I pity anyone who is not happy in their life, NT or Aspie or whatever. I certainly pity Britney Spears! But just being NT, no I don't pity that.

Me too. I just don't think we should be putting so many labels on people as we are all human beings in the final analysis.

I pity the OP for using his AS as an excuse to put himself above others.

I would give everything I had to kill every single last [*deleted again*] one of 'em.

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[Edit: Who the heck censored me? *Looks around suspiciously* ... I hate censorship!]

[lau: You are perfectly at liberty to "hate censorship". However, being allowed to post on WP means you agree to abide by the rules. Read them.]

Last edited by SotiCoto on 06 Jun 2008, 1:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You don't think that they would make good slaves?

I think some people are missing the point. I'm not saying that one or the other is superior or inferior to the next. I'm saying that their frame of mind is archaic. Primitive, an evolutionary throwback - like the appendix. I pity them because; if all evidence is to be believed, classic "humans" are become extinct; granted it may well take ten thousand years, but they're in decline. They are dependent upon other humans, dependent upon a technocentric world changing to fast for them. How many neurotypicals in a room have mobile phones? Okay, now how many can dissasemble, reassemble and thoroughly understand the complex mechanisms of such? Now how many Aspergers can do such? Not all, certainly; but a higher number.
I'm not saying one is better than the other by nature; merely better suited to different worlds. The world in which classical human abilities functioned best is disappearing.

Oh, and I think I should mention it just because someone should... SotiCoto, dude, you are a nazi.
I don't think all neurotypicals should be killed just because they're different. That's even more criminal than the neurotypicals promoting a "cure" for Aspergers and not realizing it's akin to genocide. SotiCoto, we've all had bad experiences with "humans". I hate them, personally. At least; as a group I do. Why wouldn't I? They're alien. All living things are a tad xenophobic - it's a survival trait. As for them as individuals - I reserve such judgements until after I meet people. Why do you want them all dead? How can you think that makes you better than them? Yes; they're illogical, irrational, impracticle, and capable of insane violence and racism. From what I've seen, so are a few Aspergers. So, again, why do you want them all dead? What will that prove?

i totally agree

Maybe.... but I'm a freedom advocate in all forms.

Death would be more merciful than incarceration.

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How is our frame of mind any less archaic or primitive? I mean, how would you decide what sorts of behaviour should be considered archaic? Group instinct is still useful as a social mechanism. Okay, we might not be so reliant and dependent on social formalities, but we still need them in an NT-dominated world.

And, come on, we're just as reliant on a technocentric world as anyone. No technology = no WP, and no way for Aspies across the world to communicate.



Word.

I have no comprehension of pity (or hate for that matter) so I don't bother with pity or hate.

We're all different, and the world is still turning. Moving on.

yeah, I agree with Shelby..there are all kinds of NTs. I'm just going to say that i've seen plenty of NT groups without a leader...I don't really consider myself part of some group (like a group of people in my school that some people consider "popular", they are hated by some people...and not just because of jealousy. A lot of people in that "group" have awful personalities) I just have...friends. What i gain through socialisation (if you meant talking to other humans) are friends, family, people I care about. I also read it decreases the risk of dementia. lol And who knows the ratio of NTs that are just generally normal in a variety of categories to ones that have specific fantastic talents? I just thought about that...I don't know. For example, there are people with absolute pitch and not all of them have William's Syndrome. Or just people with a high IQ. And there's something I read about a V5 gene emerging that scientists are trying to hide (people with it are faster, stronger, etc...). And when I go out in the world and see friends talking I rarely notice some alpha. Maybe it's just me. I also think anyone should avoiding saying, "their lack of understanding"...because although there are some cold, insensitive, or less than understanding people out there, there are some people that are...not? and about the capacity thing, well I don't think I lack the capacity. And im not saying this counts as group mentality, but it's possible for people with AS to stuff to just try to fit in with a group. I know one that tried to wear clothes like the people in a certain clique, and wore make up and stuff, etc. And there people with AS that definitely like to socialize, and use the phone a lot...AS doesn't decrease humanity's "need" to socialize just makes it harder.

I pity them because they are perfect creatures and they have nothing wrong with them and it makes them boring people. But if they get cancer or lose a leg or get a medical condition, now they are interesting people and no longer boring.

Nah, I don't think you're right there. I think that the social skills that NTs master will always be important for the survival of the humans. Working together, understanding each other, trying to let go of one's own perspective to embrace that of others, will always be important to tie countries and peoples together. The way the NT brain is wired, NTs would not be able to accept the development of, nor would they thrive in, a world where people simply co-exist as totally independent entities. NTs in general work in teams (or as many perfer to call it: packs), they pull together for a (more or less) common goal, and their socializing skills is the grease that makes this work smooth. There are wars, of course, but there will always be wars as long as there are humans that disagree on which direction to take.

The world, with all its challenges, stress, noise, unfairness and strife, with all its life-saving work to be done: digging water wells in desert areas, being doctors without borders in refugee camps, trying to preserve peace, fighting poverty, building schools in 3rd world countries, helping out in earthquake areas, etc, etc, is something that people will always adapt to.
I think that salvation for us humans lies in what we can do for our fellow humans. We must never lose that perspective.