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24 Feb 2014, 2:54 am

CDC forced to release documents showing they knew vaccine preservative causes autism
I'm sure we've all heard of this before and many of us have dismissed it as untrue but this seems, at least, harder to deny. I don't want the way I am to be because of a vaccine, because that would mean the way I am now, is not the way I'm supposed to be. But at the same time, I'm all for the truth.
What do you think?



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24 Feb 2014, 3:07 am

Ummm, link?

EDIT Oh I see it now. My mistake.



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24 Feb 2014, 3:29 am

I cannot find a reputable, peer-reviewed source of information linked ANYWHERE in that article.


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24 Feb 2014, 3:41 am

Even if it was conclusively proven by an independent researcher and peers, it'd never be recognized and it'd be squashed by the powers that be, otherwise:

The definition of "floodgates" would need to be redefined and there'd be not enough money in the world to settle all the lawsuits.



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24 Feb 2014, 3:45 am

Oh great this again. Eating bannanas during pregnancy causes autism. It does not make logical sense for many things to cause autism.


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24 Feb 2014, 6:04 am

I've said for some time, it's not vaccination, it's the garbage they're allowed to put in them that will get you.

Big pharma does a lot of bad stuff and pours a lot of money into keeping their sins covered up. Unless you can follow the money for every researcher publishing every article, you really can't know what is "objective" anymore.



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24 Feb 2014, 6:09 am

Heard the CDC was also forced to release documents showing aliens planted autism in pregnant women's bellies, and that 9/11 was an inside job..


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24 Feb 2014, 7:15 am

Found this story on three sites:

prweb dot com, owned by Vocus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocus - a marketing/PR company.

therefusers dot com is an anti-vax site -

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/ ... -part-8-1/

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Not infrequently, it doesn’t take very long to put the lie to these claims. All you have to do is look at the websites or delve into vaccine discussion forums. Or look at their blogs. For instance, take The Refusers. The Refusers first rose to infamy among the anti-vaccine movement about a year ago, when at last year’s anti-vaccine “American Rally for Personal Rights” they combined bad music with bad science and a healthy dollop of conspiracy theories to bring us gems like “Vaccine Gestapo” (complete with comparing supporters of science-based medicine to Adolf Hitler) and “Get Your Mandates Out of My Body.” After that, I didn’t hear much from The Refusers (a fact for which my ear drums are profoundly grateful).


The third site is healthimpactnews dot com, which seems to be associated with the guy claiming to have secret CDC documents

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/ ... ty-ensues/

That article discusses the credibility of both Brian Hooker and Health Impact News.

The press release was published by PRWeb, the pr/marketing company. So, where exactly are the reputable sources on this?



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24 Feb 2014, 7:27 am

When I first read the article (ignoring the website and the lack of references), my naïve brain thought, "Oh my, there might be something to this after all." Then the responses from others cleared that up.



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24 Feb 2014, 8:08 am

Autism existed before vaccines...


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24 Feb 2014, 8:15 am

Pastanoodle wrote:
Autism existed before vaccines...

Cancer existed before smoking but nobody can deny that
Smoking causes cancer.



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24 Feb 2014, 8:17 am

As someone who has worked pharmaceuticals before, this sounds completely bollocks. Vaccines have warnings on many of them already (e.g. the Small Pox vax can cause Small Pox in a percentage of people), and they are well known. If there was a problem, Big Pharma cannot cover it up once it reaches the masses. That's what many drug recalls address, and it doesn't necessarily mean they had bad intentions. Sometimes, you can't spot a problem until you have millions of people using it. Vaccine deniers seem to forget that before vaccines, a common saying was "Don't count your children before measles." Losing half of your children to these diseases was ordinary. But because there are some risks using vaccines, these people want to endanger the rest of society.

Something that everyone should be taught in this day and age is NO DRUG IS SAFE. Tylenol can cause your body to flay itself (S&J Syndrome); Motrin can cause severe stomach bleeding (Perforative Ulcers); Antibiotics can disrupt normal heartbeat (prolonged QT intervals); this does not mean we should throw it all to the side of the curb.

Not to mention all the references are to places that want to further the no-vax agenda...



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24 Feb 2014, 8:25 am

Teyverus wrote:
As someone who has worked pharmaceuticals before, this sounds completely bollocks. Vaccines have warnings on many of them already (e.g. the Small Pox vax can cause Small Pox in a percentage of people), and they are well known. If there was a problem, Big Pharma cannot cover it up once it reaches the masses. That's what many drug recalls address, and it doesn't necessarily mean they had bad intentions. Sometimes, you can't spot a problem until you have millions of people using it. Vaccine deniers seem to forget that before vaccines, a common saying was "Don't count your children before measles." Losing half of your children to these diseases was ordinary. But because there are some risks using vaccines, these people want to endanger the rest of society.

Something that everyone should be taught in this day and age is NO DRUG IS SAFE. Tylenol can cause your body to flay itself (S&J Syndrome); Motrin can cause severe stomach bleeding (Perforative Ulcers); Antibiotics can disrupt normal heartbeat (prolonged QT intervals); this does not mean we should throw it all to the side of the curb.

Not to mention all the references are to places that want to further the no-vax agenda...


One part of your post I do not understand how can somebody not taking a vaccine endanger the rest of society?
The person without the vaccine should be the one in danger not the other way around?

I can not form a conclusion because I don't know all the facts but my gut feeling is that I don't trust vaccines.



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24 Feb 2014, 8:54 am

Research herd immunity for why it endangers others.

The incidences of multiple diseases we vaccinate against has gone up a lot since the autism scare and not only in those who don't get vaccinated because of fear of autism.


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24 Feb 2014, 9:08 am

sharkattack wrote:
Pastanoodle wrote:
Autism existed before vaccines...

Cancer existed before smoking but nobody can deny that
Smoking causes cancer.


Did lung cancer exist before people started smoking? Maybe, but people started smoking centuries before lung cancer was being diagnosed (many millennia before in some areas), so I don't know how we could know for sure unless some ancient doctor somewhere left really detailed records that match the symptoms for lung cancer.


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24 Feb 2014, 9:12 am

sharkattack wrote:
Teyverus wrote:
As someone who has worked pharmaceuticals before, this sounds completely bollocks. Vaccines have warnings on many of them already (e.g. the Small Pox vax can cause Small Pox in a percentage of people), and they are well known. If there was a problem, Big Pharma cannot cover it up once it reaches the masses. That's what many drug recalls address, and it doesn't necessarily mean they had bad intentions. Sometimes, you can't spot a problem until you have millions of people using it. Vaccine deniers seem to forget that before vaccines, a common saying was "Don't count your children before measles." Losing half of your children to these diseases was ordinary. But because there are some risks using vaccines, these people want to endanger the rest of society.

Something that everyone should be taught in this day and age is NO DRUG IS SAFE. Tylenol can cause your body to flay itself (S&J Syndrome); Motrin can cause severe stomach bleeding (Perforative Ulcers); Antibiotics can disrupt normal heartbeat (prolonged QT intervals); this does not mean we should throw it all to the side of the curb.

Not to mention all the references are to places that want to further the no-vax agenda...


One part of your post I do not understand how can somebody not taking a vaccine endanger the rest of society?
The person without the vaccine should be the one in danger not the other way around?

I can not form a conclusion because I don't know all the facts but my gut feeling is that I don't trust vaccines.


Diseases normally need people to spread themselves. If everyone is immune = has an immune system that is able to fight any viruses/bacterias in the moment they reach his body, then they cannot spread it.

So if you have a newborn baby, that actually CANT be vaccinated right now, and it gets an disease, that people that are immune to them cannot spread...guess which kind of person infected your toddler? The one that is not able to do so, or the one that is able to do so?

Sure there are people allergic to certain stuff in vaccinations, or people that are more sensitive about them. But the more the people around them should care for being vaccinated, because if everyone around those few "yet not vaccinated toddlers" or allergic people is vaccinated, the illness cant find a way to them.