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NeantHumain
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18 Jul 2008, 8:56 pm

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If man runs naked down the street proclaiming that he alone can save others from impending doom, and if he immediately wins a following, then he is a charismatic leader: A social relationship has come into being. If he does not win a following, he is simply a lunatic.

Source: (Personality and charisma in the U.S. presidency: a psychological theory of leader effectiveness - includes appendix)

Isn't this comforting to know?



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18 Jul 2008, 9:15 pm

The bizarreness of NT thought is nicely counterbalanced by the bizarreness of Aspie thought. Bizarreness is, after all, completely relative.



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18 Jul 2008, 9:22 pm

Me take comfort from no one...

Reality is what you make and I make that my own



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18 Jul 2008, 9:36 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
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If man runs naked down the street proclaiming that he alone can save others from impending doom, and if he immediately wins a following, then he is a charismatic leader: A social relationship has come into being. If he does not win a following, he is simply a lunatic.

Source: (Personality and charisma in the U.S. presidency: a psychological theory of leader effectiveness - includes appendix)

Isn't this comforting to know?


Your argument is not valid.

Ask yourself. Do you think you or anyone else follow this person?



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18 Jul 2008, 9:46 pm

I don't know that it's only NTs who think that way.


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18 Jul 2008, 9:48 pm

^^^^
I reject your reality and replace it with my own!

EDIT: referring to SIXLUCY, not anbeund. My post took so long

Also, speaking of the OP's title:

Yesterday this happened. I wanted to go downtown. Took my bike, rode down the street to Metra Station, took self and bike downtown on Metra (it's a train) got off and rode throuought the city. Ended up going to my mother's place of employment (work!) and the inevitable showing off with co-workers stuff...one of them asked me. "which grade do you give your mom as a parent". I said "C". They were like "WTF" and the like. Mentioned that I chose that answer in Freshman year back then for healh or something when they brought it up in class. They were Surprised. Same with my mom. Don't ask a question and expect a false/BS/'socially acceptable' answer. Especially given what she said/did/etc. Not as bad as the stories here but sufficiently able to piss me off and make me remember it. And she asked 'why' (Earlier Today). I mentioned how she bitched about Olive-Harvey claiming 'I' was messing with the college when THEY called me and the like. And I mentioned that I ket saying the other reasons why and she wouldn't listen to me and said stop saying it.

Same when she asked me 'would you like to try weed'? When I said 'yes' she was surprised. Next time don't ask and complain about the answer. She does this s**t with several things.

Her: "Use the Air, or open the window".
Me: "Use the Air"
Her: "Why did you choose that given you wore a long-sleeved black shirt"
Me: "Well you asked"
Her: "Well it violates common sense"
Me: "That has nothing to do with my answer. Now you're talkign about it"

It was phrased more aggressively on her part, I couldn't phrase it to show how he was phrasing it, her aggressivt 'tone of voice' and the like.

she pulls this s**t on several things. and she won't STFU. In cars this is worse when I'm busy helf-asleep or lookign at other stuff. Askes annoying questions, THEN more detailed ones. Even when I ask her nicely, "can you please stop talking". She b*****s saying 'no, I'm not stupid and I like to talk to people'.

I apologize if this seems 'trollish' but Ican't express myself currently by typing properly as I'm too lazy and lethargic to put in detail. The post and pic.

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18 Jul 2008, 9:50 pm

anbuend wrote:
I don't know that it's only NTs who think that way.

We are yet to proclaim an aspie Messiah or a king of the Auts.



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18 Jul 2008, 9:58 pm

I've heard an autistic person claim that the Messiah is a non-speaking autistic male currently in Jerusalem (but not himself, although he also fit that description).


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18 Jul 2008, 11:24 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
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If man runs naked down the street proclaiming that he alone can save others from impending doom, and if he immediately wins a following, then he is a charismatic leader: A social relationship has come into being. If he does not win a following, he is simply a lunatic.

Source: (Personality and charisma in the U.S. presidency: a psychological theory of leader effectiveness - includes appendix)

Isn't this comforting to know?


I fail to find anything in the quote specific to NTs. What exactly are you referring to? It's common knowledge that "victors write history" - this quote seems to imply that successful people are viewed more positively in history as well. I don't find that bizzare at all.



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18 Jul 2008, 11:29 pm

JWRed wrote:
Your argument is not valid.

Ask yourself. Do you think you or anyone else follow this person?


1) streaking
2) How do you think we came to wear clothes obsessively in the first place?



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18 Jul 2008, 11:32 pm

aoeui wrote:
JWRed wrote:
Your argument is not valid.

Ask yourself. Do you think you or anyone else follow this person?


1) streaking
2) How do you think we came to wear clothes obsessively in the first place?
I wonder about clothing too. I wish I could just go without sometimes, because I find clothing to be uncomfortable, but then I'd be naked. :oops:



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19 Jul 2008, 12:00 am

The example is valid because that's what saint Francis did (strip naked in public) and he got a following. The Nag Hammadi also recommends public nudity in the Gospel of Thomas: His disciples said: "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"
(2) Jesus said: "When you undress without being ashamed and take your clothes
(and) put them under your feet like little children (and) trample on them,
(3) then [you] will see the son of the Living One, and you will not be afraid."



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19 Jul 2008, 5:56 am

anbuend wrote:
I've heard an autistic person claim that the Messiah is a non-speaking autistic male currently in Jerusalem (but not himself, although he also fit that description).


...any more details?



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19 Jul 2008, 9:49 am

Nope, and it was years ago, I can't even find the message where I saw it.


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19 Jul 2008, 10:08 am

t0 wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
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If man runs naked down the street proclaiming that he alone can save others from impending doom, and if he immediately wins a following, then he is a charismatic leader: A social relationship has come into being. If he does not win a following, he is simply a lunatic.

Source: (Personality and charisma in the U.S. presidency: a psychological theory of leader effectiveness - includes appendix)

Isn't this comforting to know?


I fail to find anything in the quote specific to NTs. What exactly are you referring to? It's common knowledge that "victors write history" - this quote seems to imply that successful people are viewed more positively in history as well. I don't find that bizzare at all.

What I am referring to is that NTs will sometimes accept something normally considered very odd or even insane, and they might even hail it as a savior or cult figure. The difference seems to be almost completely arbitrary and often revolves around a critical mass of people accepting the person/trend, leading to more and more people doing the same.



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19 Jul 2008, 10:11 am

NeantHumain that makes perfect sense.

Reality is what you make, is it not? Unless you choose to make other peoples reality your own.