Autism-Vaccination link possibility is not yet over.

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WTF? I thought people had begun to get over all that anectdotal "evidence"!
I've been vaccinated; AS behaviour well before I was!!
Their argument is limited and irrational, therefore invalid. This nonsense has been disproven repeatedly... Now celebrities and politicians are getting involved! It's insane!

More antivax blather from the notoriously unreliable David Kirby. He wouldn't know critical thought or a source if it bit him on the ass.

I don't think I've seen an article or column at HuffPo that dealt with mito or autism in any kind of reasonable fashion or with any reliable science. Plus the fact DKirby makes money speaking to antivax groups always raises my hackles. Eesh.

And to clarify the mito cases...they were not dx'ed with autism.

They were dx'ed with encephalitis that led to brain damage. The symptoms are different. These cases are being pulled out because they have nothing to do with the hearings. The problem with the mito conditions these kids deal with is that anything could have set off the illness worsening-a cold, a bug, allergies. If anything, kids with this disorder are the most vulnerable group and it is advised despite these anomalous episodes (who knows if vaccines triggered the genetic disorder? Or if it was in response to an inflammatory process caused by something else? No-one knows, and it's going to take some bright people to figure it out.) that these kids be vaccinated against diseases that would be a more definite trigger for their conditions.

Reliable research has shown that immune system activity interferes with the weeding out of neuronal connections considered excess to requirements in normal brains, and that preventing this process results in more "white matter", which is associated with autist brain states.

Therefore it seems possible at least that vaccination in people, autists, known to often have auto-immune system dysfunction/disorders, in provoking greater immune system activity during the phase of early/infant brain-development, might be causing the brain to accumulate dense neural connections which would otherwise be cleared away.

It is just possible.

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LePetitePrince, science does have definitive, final results! Scientific curiosity is just that, the application of theory to prove or disprove said theory, the ultimate result being hard facts in one way or another!
No, autism cannot be caused by vaccines. Ever. Never ever never never. No. Why? Well, which avenue to pursue!
Statistics? Many chemicals used in antivac arguments are no longer included. Why has autism not decreased? How to account for variance in behaviour? ...how to sleep at night ignoring generic research on autism, hm?
These people are idealogists. A degree is no ticket to simply automatically be right! Not that many of these people have... Reliable backgrounds.
They are jokers and clowns, using anectdotes as evidence! Fallacy!

Where's LeKiwi?

How annoying... Just when I thought the whole 'vaccine=autism' thing was over it starts over... I think it is merely a case of parents who's children had a very very rare complication and want something or someone to blame. They can't accept the fact that the vaccine didn't do it (not meaning to sound harsh...). I too was definitely autistic before I had the MMR and if anything being sick with the measles (I was born before the vaccine was introduced) has caused more problems than the vaccine! Ask my yellow teeth, ridgy fingernails and various neurological problems I have now!

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Its scary to think that these people argue possibly fatal, painful and crippling diseases, many of which cause brain damage resulting in mental retardation equal to or greater than classical autism are preferable to being autistic or the parent of an autistic child!
I'm sure the myriad people who would not be alive today if not for vaccines, would much rather be dead on false ideas that some few of them might have thought a bit differently!
It seems little more than an outgrowth of the primitive conform or die concepts.

I knew a family who almost lost their child from not vaccinating, which led to many other children being tested whom was around that child. The family didnt vaccinate though because of autism, but instead because one of the parents had a bad reaction to vaccination and refused to let that ever happen to their children. Well one of their children instead got extremely sick, and almost died, and school found out, noticed some other kids in the class have been showing symptoms and needed to be checked asap. Last i heard the little girl survived and the other children were tested, everything was fine, and the familys other two children were also vaccinated shortly after because of that huge scare.

It seems though the cases that did get a reaction from the vaccinations that regressed that child into an autism state, usually have autoimmune disorder, and GI problems I noticed. But whats weird is that some children are saved by those vaccinations that stop autoimmune disorders, while some are getting autoimmune disorders, how is that possible? There has to be a huge environmental cause in all of this!

I was autistic before vaccinations also, i know plenty of autistic children who werent even vaccinated and are sitll autistic, and I also know families that vaccinated their 3 children, first two are NTs, the youngest somehow got a reaction to the MMR and became autistic, so why didnt the older siblings get autism? Or why are so many children who are getting the MMR not autistic and others are? Its too confusing. I honestly think environmental is a huge source, and honestly think even with the kids who regressed theirs a genetic component in there as well.

But whats scary is, whats going to happen though if a lot of parents just dont vaccinate and then an outbreak occurs like a plaque or something?

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Note further that even in those cases in which neurological damage resulted from the mitochondrial disorder, the doctors concerned said that it would have happened anyway. The [/i]most[/i] these parents can legitimately claim is that the vaccine exacerbated the condition, causing its effects to become obvious sooner than they might have.

The vaccines did not "cause" the damage, even in these cases. Give it up, people!

How do you know they didn't cause the damage? Because 'research' that leaves out vital information, is funded by the vaccine manufacturers themselves or those who stand to lose a lot, or is fundamentally flawed tells you so?

Use your heads people!!

These things contain aluminium, mercury, formeldehyde, sodium borate, monosodium glutamate, mercury, and tissue from aborted human fetuses, cows, chickens (great for those with egg allergies ), and monkey tissue contaminated with cancer-causing viruses (i.e. SV40).

They usually contain SEVERAL of the above at once - bearing in mind a single one of those ingredients has great potential to cause harm.

They're given at extremely young ages when the immune system is not yet developed.

They're often given 7 or 8 at a time.



Is it really that difficult to comprehend that these things can harm?! Again, use your heads! Don't buy into the fear.

LeKiwi, are you nuts? Anybody with minimal biological knowledge should know how or why something affects something else as it does! Nobody is saying some of those chemicals might be dangerous to some people on rare occasions; but the cause/effect chain is inconsistent with physical, genetic evidences for autism.

Ok this post is going to add oil to the fire:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt77202.html