Are gay NTs more accepting of aspies?

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03 Dec 2008, 11:20 am

Are they?



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03 Dec 2008, 11:45 am

Another connection I don't see. What is the connection, exactly? Why should someone be more accepting of anything just because they are gay? I don't get that, either. Just because someone happens to be gay doesn't mean they will be more accepting. That's some kind of stereotype, methinks. It has no basis in reality.



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03 Dec 2008, 12:37 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Another connection I don't see. What is the connection, exactly? Why should someone be more accepting of anything just because they are gay? I don't get that, either. Just because someone happens to be gay doesn't mean they will be more accepting.


Because gay people know what it's like to be discriminated against, they may be less likely to discriminate against aspies.



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03 Dec 2008, 12:58 pm

Some gay christians I knew used to seize on the fact that - since they were gay NT males - their social skills were far better than mine as well as somewhat better than other men's. The psychology of that should be obvious :wink:



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03 Dec 2008, 1:01 pm

I don't know; on the whole, are those who have suffered prejudice more likely to accept other groups who also have; or are they more likely to belittle other such target groups in an effort to communicate that they are superior to them? It may just depend on human nature. We see it among autistics who look down on lower (or even higher) functioning labels... or on people with mental illnesses... or even on NTs. If autistics are capable of prejudice despite having been targets, why not homosexuals?

Hmm... there should be some gay people around here who might know better, if they have been talking to others and have an idea of whether there are any tendencies to think one way or the other...

They ARE individuals, obviously; so anything you get will be just higher odds of one or the other; nothing you can use to make assumptions about any particular person. Kinda like men are more likely to be taller than women, but if you meet a tall person you can't automatically assume they're male.


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03 Dec 2008, 1:07 pm

I understand the premise of your question, and there was a time where I would have thought that the reality would match the premise. I had another premise, one that I would have thought would be even more true - that people with other mental disorders would be more sympathetic to Aspies than to other people (as our similarities would go even more beyond simply being treated badly by 'normal' people which is all that a heterosexual aspie would have in common with an NT gay person due to the one's aspieness and the other's sexual orientation). One of my few good friends was diagnosed as being bipolar about 6 months ago. I really would have thought it would have brought us closer - like we'd have something in common - not that we have the exact same thing but we both have our own mental issue, each of which is rather stigmatized and frowned upon by those who do not have them. So I thought that outside of another Aspie, if anyone could relate to me better it would be her. And while I've really tried to support her through all of the bipolar issues, I've found that since she was diagnosed, in most respects she is even more 'against' me and unsupportive of my aspieness than she was before.



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03 Dec 2008, 1:08 pm

FireFox wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Another connection I don't see. What is the connection, exactly? Why should someone be more accepting of anything just because they are gay? I don't get that, either. Just because someone happens to be gay doesn't mean they will be more accepting.


Because gay people know what it's like to be discriminated against, they may be less likely to discriminate against aspies.


No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.

To see a very recent example of homosexual intolerance of others, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk23Ild2FjU

Homosexual Aspies will even attack straight Aspies who offer their views. There are several threads here which show that.



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03 Dec 2008, 1:09 pm

It seems like they would be more accepting because they know what it's like to be discriminated against but that's isn't always the case. Minorities are discriminated against and aren't always sympathetic to others in the same situation.
I don't think you can stereotype people's reactions.
Gays are often more sympathetic to other gays, that I can say for certain. They are more in tune with gay people regardless of any differences.



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03 Dec 2008, 1:10 pm

[OPINION]
Gays generally seem to be willing to acquire potential partners, so it should be no surprise that they would be more "friendly" than non-gays, whether NT or not.
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03 Dec 2008, 1:16 pm

donhz wrote:
No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.
Your constant anti-gay hate posts are becoming tiresome.



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03 Dec 2008, 1:24 pm

donhz wrote:
No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.

I met a transvestite once, it looked like he or she was more tolerant and understanding that most "normal" people, although that was just my impression, and of course not everyone is the same.

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To see a very recent example of homosexual intolerance of others, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk23Ild2FjU

well, that doesn't look that good but it doesn't look that bad, being offended with the thing with the cross, comparing to the issue, is foolish, was that the "intolerance" here? BTW, were all people protesting, gays?

As for people's attitudes, Rosie O'Donell is lesbian to give an example, I hardly would believe that every lesbian is Rosie O'Donell.

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Homosexual Aspies will even attack straight Aspies who offer their views. There are several threads here which show that.

On WP, I can say that most posts like that, if they are like that, are made by straight posters.

FireFox wrote:
Because gay people know what it's like to be discriminated against, they may be less likely to discriminate against aspies.

I used to assume that aspies would be more likely to accept gays, because they would know what it's like to be discriminated.


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03 Dec 2008, 1:43 pm

dougn wrote:
donhz wrote:
No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.
Your constant anti-gay hate posts are becoming tiresome.


See what I mean. This is mean-spirited intimination, nothing else.

I have contributed to 34 threads since I have been here, only 2 dealing with homosexual issues. So I think you saying I make "constant anti-gay hate posts" is certainly an overstatement and perhaps a complete lie.

Sorry you couldn't stick to the original topic and answer the question as I and most others did. It is always unfortuate when someone has to go off topic to make a personal attack on me or other writers, as in this case.



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03 Dec 2008, 2:25 pm

donhz wrote:
See what I mean. This is mean-spirited intimination, nothing else.
Mean-spirited? And your hate posts aren't?

Gays no more have certain characteristics in common than heterosexuals do. There are good and bad gay people, good and bad straight people... Gays are just regular, ordinary people like everyone else.



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03 Dec 2008, 2:44 pm

donhz wrote:
To see a very recent example of homosexual intolerance of others, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk23Ild2FjU


Oh please. SHE WENT RIGHT INTO THE CROWD WHAT DOES SHE EXPECT. I've seen that video, they were nice in well..only taking away the cross she was waving in their faces. They could have done MUCH WORSE.

Don't wave it in that you suppressed a group of people by a popular vote and troll the counter-protestors


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03 Dec 2008, 3:03 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It seems like they would be more accepting because they know what it's like to be discriminated against but that's isn't always the case. Minorities are discriminated against and aren't always sympathetic to others in the same situation.
I don't think you can stereotype people's reactions.
Gays are often more sympathetic to other gays, that I can say for certain. They are more in tune with gay people regardless of any differences.


I'd tend to agree with both points here. Just because two groups are in a minority which may be discriminated against, it doesn't mean either will be sympathetic of each other circumstances. Especially if they're wildly different. For instance, a group of people with neurological differences and a group of people with sexual preferences outside the mainstream - I'm not seeing where the empathy is going to lie considering the two situations are very different.

No doubt someone will call me ignorant and claim homosexuality is a neurological difference, but I don't hold that opinion.

donhz wrote:
No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.

To see a very recent example of homosexual intolerance of others, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk23Ild2FjU

Homosexual Aspies will even attack straight Aspies who offer their views. There are several threads here which show that.


I'll be the first to agree with you here. When it comes to Homosexuals and Christians, as a group, both sides tend to agitate and provoke the other, but both can be equally intolerant.



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03 Dec 2008, 3:06 pm

What a bizarre thread. I don't see any correlation between homosexuality and increased tolerance

@ donhz; there are 'gay' christians and I am sure that like the rest of their community they get angry with fools who take the bible to be the literal words of god


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