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04 Dec 2008, 2:29 am

I wrote this paper for my counseling class. I'll just attach the basic conclusion to it, but I'm wondering on what you guys think about my conclusion about empathy. The paper is entitled, "Empathy: An Intellectual Odyssey."

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I have learned 3 main lessons by doing my practice therapy sessions, particularly about empathy, and they are as follows:
1) Empathy is not a “unattainable goal.” It is merely me trying to put myself in my clients shoes and figuring out what I’d do if I were them.
2) Listening is all about asking questions. If I didn’t understand something, it’s better to ask them what they mean, rather than trying to decode.
3) Empathy is very much tied to reflection of meaning and feelings. When you reflect back to your client about their current state is, they open up to you more.
By using these lessons I’ve learned, I’ll be able to utilize the skills I’ve gained in this class to aid myself in my everyday life. I have learned to be more empathetic, and this leads to making me a more understanding person.



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04 Dec 2008, 2:56 am

What is empathy? [I'm 100% serious; I don't understand it...]



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04 Dec 2008, 2:59 am

ReGiFroFoLa wrote:
What is empathy? [I'm 100% serious; I don't understand it...]


I think Empathy is when you feel for the other person. Sympathy is when you feel bad for the other person.



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04 Dec 2008, 3:02 am

TrojanPower83 wrote:
ReGiFroFoLa wrote:
What is empathy? [I'm 100% serious; I don't understand it...]


I think Empathy is when you feel for the other person. Sympathy is when you feel bad for the other person.



So empathy means that You feel just the same as the other person?

Wait, 8O sympathy is a negative term?



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04 Dec 2008, 3:02 am

I thought empathy was when you could put yourself in another person's shoes even though you had not had a similar experience to the one you are empathizing with; sympathy was understanding another person's POV because you had had similar experiences yourself.



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04 Dec 2008, 3:09 am

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I thought empathy was when you could put yourself in another person's shoes even though you had not had a similar experience to the one you are empathizing with; sympathy was understanding another person's POV because you had had similar experiences yourself.


Ok, I still don't understand what empathy is... It's just too abstract term... I can't comprehend the abstract :evil:

Myself - I can sense exactly the other people's intentions; I can sense when someone is angry or upset or has negative attitude... Yet I don't care about that or I'm scared of this perosn and I just ignore this person... Is that empathy?



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04 Dec 2008, 3:10 am

ReGiFroFoLa wrote:
animal wrote:
I thought empathy was when you could put yourself in another person's shoes even though you had not had a similar experience to the one you are empathizing with; sympathy was understanding another person's POV because you had had similar experiences yourself.


Ok, I still don't understand what empathy is... It's just too abstract term... I can't comprehend the abstract :evil:

Myself - I can sense exactly the other people's intentions; I can sense when someone is angry or upset or has negative attitude... Yet I don't care about that or I'm scared of this perosn and I just ignore this person... Is that empathy?


Forget about this and tell me what you think of my paper conclusion...



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04 Dec 2008, 3:18 am

TrojanPower83 wrote:
ReGiFroFoLa wrote:
animal wrote:
I thought empathy was when you could put yourself in another person's shoes even though you had not had a similar experience to the one you are empathizing with; sympathy was understanding another person's POV because you had had similar experiences yourself.


Ok, I still don't understand what empathy is... It's just too abstract term... I can't comprehend the abstract :evil:

Myself - I can sense exactly the other people's intentions; I can sense when someone is angry or upset or has negative attitude... Yet I don't care about that or I'm scared of this perosn and I just ignore this person... Is that empathy?


Forget about this and tell me what you think of my paper conclusion...



You are very concrete :twisted:

Well, the conclusion is quite ok, I reckon... Yet I don't think I could stick to it, even though I think it's correct... I am too paradoxical when it comes to my relations with other humans...

Sorry if my answer don't satisfy You, but I'm no scientist... I bet You are into mathematics?



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04 Dec 2008, 4:30 am

I found your work very interesting, however, as a man with AS who is also a trained spiritual
director, whose job it is to listen in depth to others, I feel it wise to point out that listening for me is NOT about asking questions, for this is often what us aspies do in covering our tracks and fall back on the mechanics of listening over the dynamics of this most subtle art.

A good comparison to draw on here could be on how many of us in the spectrum train ourselves to look at the mid-point of anothers eyebrows, as a way of trying to avoid the neurological discomfort awakened in the exchange. This strategy is for some of us as good as it gets, but it is not the real thing, just as asking questions is NOT real listening. REAL listening has to be contemplative, it is beyond words, and can only come from traveling deep within ones own heart, and as a result our heart resonating with the other.


This might seem very strange for some people to hear that a man with autism can be able to offer empathic listening and affirm another with warmth and tenderness. But natural empathy is a sense not a virtue, and because people in the autistic spectrum can have difficulties with this natural response, we generally overcompensate in other areas and often this forces us down into hidden depths in order to connect with others.

A useful image here would be that of a water pump, for while the average person has a natural and effortless supply of natural empathy (I might be pushing it here) I on the other hand, would have to work this system manually and with great effort. As my emotional routing is well used (from years spent in psychotherapy, not just intelectualizing my feelings but deeply feeling my feelings) I have as much capacity to empathise as most people, but it is from the well of emotion and experienced feelings.

I think it very useful to brake down empathy into 3 units. Cognitive..........Emotional.........and Natural. It is also of great importance I feel, to point out that us aspies can love and that our love can be felt by another...........we just love and show our love differently.


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04 Dec 2008, 3:46 pm

TrojanPower83 wrote:
I wrote this paper for my counseling class. I'll just attach the basic conclusion to it, but I'm wondering on what you guys think about my conclusion about empathy. The paper is entitled, "Empathy: An Intellectual Odyssey."

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I have learned 3 main lessons by doing my practice therapy sessions, particularly about empathy, and they are as follows:
1) Empathy is not a “unattainable goal.” It is merely me trying to put myself in my clients shoes and figuring out what I’d do if I were them.
2) Listening is all about asking questions. If I didn’t understand something, it’s better to ask them what they mean, rather than trying to decode.
3) Empathy is very much tied to reflection of meaning and feelings. When you reflect back to your client about their current state is, they open up to you more.
By using these lessons I’ve learned, I’ll be able to utilize the skills I’ve gained in this class to aid myself in my everyday life. I have learned to be more empathetic, and this leads to making me a more understanding person.


That's a great way of building empathy. I would recommend your steps to anyone who isn't empathetic.
People will say you can't actually "feel" what another feels because you have AS but everything you listed is a pragmatic way of connecting to the idea of feeling. You can intellectualize it. I question the empathy notion anyway because I have seen so many people who seem to lack it. Maybe they just haven't learned they can build their empathy intellectually?
I don't associate lacking empathy with AS alone, even though it's part of the diagnostic criteria because I have dealt with many people who aren't autistic and who aren't empathetic and I try to understand why that is.



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04 Dec 2008, 3:48 pm

I have a "talent" for acting to be empathetic.
I can't feel what others are feeling at all. I will pretend to, as I know what they are feeling, but I don't feel it inside.


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04 Dec 2008, 4:33 pm

I'm alexithymic and can't identify and respond to my own emotions properly. Relative to that, I'm probably better at picking up on others emotions that my own. Compared to a normal person, you could say I have an empathy deficit, but that's wouldn't be very fair. After all, even if I think "What would I feel in that situation?" I won't necessarily know the answer to that, and if I do I might be wrong.