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17 Dec 2008, 2:06 pm

I just don't understand... Why is it that NTs are said to have such great intuition about each other, but then I see them making horrendous character judgement and relationship-situation judgement mistakes?

A woman who loves independence marries a very dominant man, someone who has it all except being appreciated at work for their extra efforts goes to work at a much worse place where they're treated a hundred times worse, a parent gives all their nurturing to the callous one of their kids who abandons them in old age and sickness, etc. etc. I see it around me all the time, and I really rack my brain.

(I don't know why it affects me, but it does, very much)


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17 Dec 2008, 2:15 pm

It's good that you're thinking about those things. The world often does make sense when those things, which you wrote about, happen.
They also conversely, might not make sense (be logical/healthy behaviour); it's good to try to make sense of these things.

Even NT's don't have enough insight into themselves, or their own behaviour. NT's often don't know what makes them truly happy. Aspies do.



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17 Dec 2008, 2:28 pm

Hi 0031,

The boss I had until a year ago, who was always threatening to fire me for my lack of perceptivity regarding how to behave in the hierarchy, was demoted a year ago and fired last week.

An ex colleague of mine, we used to work together at a wonderful job, I was fired for my social cluelessness and she resigned a year later, to go work at a horrible place. She thought it was a good change and missed all the signs that it was a ridiculous decision. I knew all along that it was suicide to do that, and had warned her many times. She only realized I was right a week after she had made the irreversible change.

So what kind of social intuition is it exactly that NTs are good at that we Aspies are not?


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17 Dec 2008, 2:34 pm

Greentea wrote:
So what kind of social intuition is it exactly that NTs are good at that we Aspies are not?


Excellent question. One I doubt anyone can answer with any clarity.



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17 Dec 2008, 2:41 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
Greentea wrote:
So what kind of social intuition is it exactly that NTs are good at that we Aspies are not?


Excellent question. One I doubt anyone can answer with any clarity.


I can! I can! I can answer that with clarity (at least my own version of "clarity").



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17 Dec 2008, 2:50 pm

I personally can't imagine anybody having better intuition that those of us on the spectrum. I think mine is about 1000% better defined than in 'regular' people. Without that extra sense I'd have been dead ot at least more stupid than I am a long time ago.


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17 Dec 2008, 2:55 pm

My idea is that a lot of people put too much faith in their "intuition" without knowing what it's based on. Sometimes intuition is based on experience, and that's good, but sometimes it's based on biases and prejudices. Personally I try to be as lucid in my judgments of others as I possibly can.



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17 Dec 2008, 3:19 pm

I find that it's best to simply observe the humans and not try to hard to understand them. Why do monkies like to throw poo? I don't know, but it's still fun to watch. :)



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17 Dec 2008, 3:27 pm

I think everyone has a degree of it but it seems to me that more often, many of those who are under the spectrum or who have ADHD tend to listen to their intuition than the "average" person does.


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17 Dec 2008, 3:45 pm

Maybe the intuition thing really isn't so good after all.

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17 Dec 2008, 3:52 pm

Come on now. Your intuition is your mind trying to tell you something so to ignore it seems strange to me. It is not good trying to 'intellectualize' about things that are better understood at the gut level.


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17 Dec 2008, 3:54 pm

garyww wrote:
Come on now. Your intuition is your mind trying to tell you something so to ignore it seems strange to me. It is not good trying to 'intellectualize' about things that are better understood at the gut level.


I intellectualize everything. I rarely just go with my instinct. I may use it as a guide to get started on a thought process, but I still need to think about things.



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17 Dec 2008, 3:56 pm

Maybe you need to 'loosen up' as they used to say so your inner instincts and intuition could come through. I think about things constantly but when it comes to day to day stuff I go with the 'inner' feelings I have about things. It has worked for me but I guess that it might not work for others.


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17 Dec 2008, 4:06 pm

Ooh interesting topic. Yeah, I notice some of this stuff too. Why do some NT women hope to get the "prince charming" whom will sweep them off their feet, yet when it comes to meeting one, they'd rather not be with him seeing as he's not going to take charge/be dominant tribal male, so instead they'll go off with some other guy who's somewhat rude, repulsive, and is going to be the alpha. I've seen it happen to myself and others. I guess it's just the natural thing of wanting the strongest alpha male of the pack... all back to the primal days lol. On the other hand, I do my best not to let my natural instincts nor my intuition to completely control how I behave. I like to sort of keep it running in the background, so it work with my rationality and logic and reasoning.



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17 Dec 2008, 4:10 pm

garyww wrote:
Maybe you need to 'loosen up' as they used to say so your inner instincts and intuition could come through. I think about things constantly but when it comes to day to day stuff I go with the 'inner' feelings I have about things. It has worked for me but I guess that it might not work for others.


I think instinct is overrated. I don't think it is something that people should strive to hone, I think countering instinct with rational thought is part of being a civilized human. To "loosen up" and live like the NT's do... That just sounds like hell for me.



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17 Dec 2008, 4:31 pm

Greentea wrote:

The boss I had until a year ago, who was always threatening to fire me for my lack of perceptivity regarding how to behave in the hierarchy, was demoted a year ago and fired last week.


So happy to hear this GT hahahahaaaa