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22 Dec 2008, 2:08 am

That thread running now about how good you are at Visual Spatial skills got me envious... Aspies are really good at those money-making kind of skills. I have NLD, so I'm good at verbal skills, which leaves me with the choices of language teacher, translator, writer, editor and office clerk working with international clients. Average or below average income prospects, but anything else requires at least a sufficient level of spatial skills and/or social skills.

So I was wondering about others here, how are your verbal skills?


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22 Dec 2008, 2:24 am

Some of this I've answered in my post about "Your speaking voice", but I'll add to it here.

I've also always had excellent language skills, though not necessarily with speaking. When I talk, I have a tendency to betray myself and whatever words I was going to say.

Writing is my strong suit, and how I most clearly express myself. I have a very large vocabulary (which I proceed to utilize out of context and in inappropriate company). I actually do love to vocalize, even if I don't always get it right. I enjoy speaking; I have a deep rich voice if I focus on it. I should have gone with my high school English teacher's career suggestion: Radio-voice-personality. I can do lots of different things with the sound of my voice, I can articulate quite well when I need to. and follow a script intuitively.

Yet I lack common social speech mechanisms. How completely odd.


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22 Dec 2008, 2:28 am

Acacia wrote:
Some of this I've answered in my post about "Your speaking voice", but I'll add to it here.

I've also always had excellent language skills, though not necessarily with speaking. When I talk, I have a tendency to betray myself and whatever words I was going to say.

Writing is my strong suit, and how I most clearly express myself. I have a very large vocabulary (which I proceed to utilize out of context and in inappropriate company). I actually do love to vocalize, even if I don't always get it right. I enjoy speaking; I have a deep rich voice if I focus on it. I should have gone with my high school English teacher's career suggestion: Radio-voice-personality. I can do lots of different things with the sound of my voice, I can articulate quite well when I need to. and follow a script intuitively.

Yet I lack common social speech mechanisms. How completely odd.


I am the same way. I find it easier to express something in writing. If i'm having a conversation with someone i will often get tongue-tied, or I'll get stuck trying to think of a word, unless I'm talking about something I'm pretty passionate about because it seems to become a bit easier then. I find that how easy it is to verbalize something can also change depending on who I am talking to. If i'm talking to a close friend, for example, I find it easier sometimes.


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22 Dec 2008, 4:22 am

excellent verbal skills. have done public speaking and interviews on my special interest topics as well as television interviews in my country on national tv. i tend toward the verbose and use complex syntax and also advanced vocabulary. it is just the way it comes out. i find all these things easier than sitting and talking socially - which seems boring and pointless to me. i want facts and lots of them, in my life. facts and ideas on my interests.

i do not have a problem talking. i have difficulty knowing when to stop. however, in large or small social groups i get overwhelmed by teh corss currents and exchanges and i stay silent or just talk with one person, and occasionally throw in sporadic comments that are often amiss and inappropriate. it is awful and i stay away from such gatherings - maybe once or twice a year if that.



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22 Dec 2008, 4:40 am

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If i'm having a conversation with someone i will often get tongue-tied, or I'll get stuck trying to think of a word, unless I'm talking about something I'm pretty passionate about because it seems to become a bit easier then. I find that how easy it is to verbalize something can also change depending on who I am talking to. If i'm talking to a close friend, for example, I find it easier sometimes.

Yeah same with me. I also have something known as flat effect or no accent as one psychologist once described me and that just makes me worse to be in a conversation with.

Out of 10 I'd give my verbal skills about a 6.



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22 Dec 2008, 6:20 am

Greentea wrote:
That thread running now about how good you are at Visual Spatial skills got me envious... Aspies are really good at those money-making kind of skills.


Hey Greentea,

Actually Aspies (those with Asperger's Syndrome) often have the same difficulties with visual-spatial skills of those with NonVerbal Learning Disorder. The following quote can be found here: www.nldline.com/yvonna.htm

Yvonna Fast wrote:
The ASers [Asperger's Syndrome] profile of neuropsychological assets and deficits (Forrest) is very similar to the NVLD profile described by Rourke (1995). Both have neuro-developmental abnormalities involving functions of the right cerebral hemisphere. (Brumback, et. al.) In both disorders, there is no delay in cognitive development and speech. In fact, NLDers are often extremely verbal and early readers. Asperger’s syndrome has been called an extreme form of nonverbal learning disability (Brumback, et. al.)


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22 Dec 2008, 6:35 am

I have adequate expressive and receptive speech, apart from all of the little nuances that someone with an ASD has (literal interpretation, a slow and controlled prosody without emotional inflection, auditory processing delay, and etcetera). This is for mechanical interaction.

My verbal skills for social interaction are non-existent.



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22 Dec 2008, 6:53 am

I am getting better. I am working on complex verbalization, and rhetoric.

I have a problem with allocentrism, the ability to take a third-party view. I am working on that. Allocentrist disconnects have implications in the individual's ability to communicate and position themselves (rhetorically) relative to a group. Allocentrism has been linked to AS visual-spatial traits. There are implications for socializing:

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"Tendency to put others at the center of the universe, its concerns, its interests… and to center its own activities compared to what does another, with an obsessional tendency. The allocentrism refers to a creation of emotional or emotional dependence of a person with respect to an other (or of several), correlated with a need for identity recognition - self in the ⇔ group the group in oneself. The allocentrism is the opposite of the self-centredness which tends to concentrate on oneself its own thoughts and activities. Allocentrique: adj. characterizes an individual reached of allocentrism . The subject allocentric is interested more in the others with itself."

In popularization and sociology

"A person allocentric (or allocentric) thinks and acts by privileging the interests of a group compared to her own objectives. Thus, Chinese civilization and the culture would be more allocentric that Western civilization and the culture. It would be about primary education Communism on an individual scale."



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22 Dec 2008, 7:18 am

Varying greatly in quality.

If I'm in an artificial surrounding that favours autistic traits, my verbal skills are normal to above average.

Elsewhere in the world, my verbal skills, both langauge and speech, aren't that good. I mean, I consider them perfectly okay, but people laugh or don't get me or even ask me what my native language is to mean that I talk so-so and not like a natural in German and English.


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22 Dec 2008, 8:22 am

I'm very great in verbal skills. I'm gifted in it.


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22 Dec 2008, 12:41 pm

The jobs I've had in the past relied heavily on verbal skills so I guess mine are passable. My problems aren't with verbal skills, spatial skills, etc. My biggest issue is convincing other people and keeping them convinced, lol.
I would rather be quiet than humor them or frown than smile. When I have to I talk but I don't do the "at ease" talking, the kind my mom does and brags extensively about.

These are my issues, lol. So, I am actually more intelligent but they don't believe that. It's not easy to explain but it is very frustrating and it affects my life the way other disabilities affect other's lives. It's just not the same kind of disability so people tend to dismiss it and say stuff like, "It's you not trying" "It's your bad attitude" "You don't want to try".



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22 Dec 2008, 12:59 pm

For the WAIS-III:

Verbal comprehension: 95% percentile

Verbal processing: 68% percentile

So understanding verbal stuff I'm good at, but I have a delay in understanding it; not to mention, I have a hard time expressing complex ideas/theories in terms of writing.



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22 Dec 2008, 2:21 pm

I don't do well when it comes to making conversation. I mix up words, etc. However, I am wonderful at communicating in writing. If I find that I really cannot convey to my listener what I want to say, I'll either pull out paper and write it or type it. That usually works well.



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22 Dec 2008, 2:30 pm

poor/impaired,to non existant [depends on whether am non verbal or not].
good sign language [makaton] skills.


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22 Dec 2008, 4:38 pm

I have excellent verbal skills and made my living as a teacher and then a writer for about 20 years. I do better writing rather than speaking, and I also do better reading rather than listening. I'm not too bad at speaking, if I'm comfortable in the situation, though I try to let my dry sense of humour carry me rather than getting all serious (something that most people seem to edge away from). I'm very good at learning written foreign languages, although I have a very hard time understanding them when they're spoken and answering oral questions in any kind of reasonable time frame. But since I have those problems in English, that's not surprising.

Not all Aspies have good visual/spatial skills, but mine have gotten better over time, for a number of reasons. I learned to knit and work with patterns, and fell in love with colors and how I can make them work together. I homeschooled my daughter, and so taught her (and myself) varying degrees of pattern recognition, I worked on a farm for a while and learned to get comfortable with using my hands to solve a problem, rather than just my brain. And I've been raising a family for 16 years now; making a child's bedroom go from chaos to order on a regular basis definitely helps with the visual spatial skills.

To give you an indication of how much better it's gotten...When I was in the 7th or 8th grade, I took an IQ test. I have no idea why they gave us this test; I found out my result wholly by accident. Anyway, I was flying along on the verbal stuff, and then I got to the pattern recognition and froze. I had absolutely no idea what they wanted as an answer. I nearly panicked. I'd never even seen anything like that before: determining what would be the next item in a sequence, telling differences between visual objects, etc. I could only answer a few of those problems, and there were a great many I left unanswered. I must have done really well on the verbal to compensate, because my score came out to 122.

I recently took another IQ test just on visual/spatial skills, and my visual/spatial IQ came out to 120.

So it's really possible to increase skills with practice at different things. I've found that for myself, the problem is lack of confidence. Once I get going, I get better, but it takes a long time for me to even try.



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22 Dec 2008, 8:05 pm

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I am getting better. I am working on complex verbalization, and rhetoric.

I have a problem with allocentrism, the ability to take a third-party view. I am working on that. Allocentrist disconnects have implications in the individual's ability to communicate and position themselves (rhetorically) relative to a group. Allocentrism has been linked to AS visual-spatial traits. There are implications for socializing:

Neurology, Psychiatry, Psychology

"Tendency to put others at the center of the universe, its concerns, its interests… and to center its own activities compared to what does another, with an obsessional tendency. The allocentrism refers to a creation of emotional or emotional dependence of a person with respect to an other (or of several), correlated with a need for identity recognition - self in the ⇔ group the group in oneself. The allocentrism is the opposite of the self-centredness which tends to concentrate on oneself its own thoughts and activities. Allocentrique: adj. characterizes an individual reached of allocentrism . The subject allocentric is interested more in the others with itself."




"A person allocentric (or allocentric) thinks and acts by privileging the interests of a group compared to her own objectives. Thus, Chinese civilization and the culture would be more allocentric that Western civilization and the culture. It would be about primary education Communism on an individual scale."


Ephemerella - this is fascinating. in social situations i retreat, as most of us do. the interactions become unreadable and too complex. HOwever, at times in order to survive socially - over the years i noted a kind of burst of extreme allocentrism in me - cognitively and emplyed with desperate zeal. I would try to doggedly pursue this in order to survive and fit in....always to the extreme (overcompensatory) and always at great exhaustion and cost to myself. IT came at the expense of TOTAL self-abandonment in group dynamics. I would come home and feel as if I was utterly exhausted by the efforts and to no avail. I did not employ it all the time - i used it as a kind of misguided strategy in my later years the last ten or so at odd times - and it has irked me.....1. because it failed to help me fit in and 2. because the price was self- abandonment.

This was not a natural state for me - it was a kind of social technique i was attempting to employ in order to try to make sense of my place in groups. I am getting some really interesting info from you today. thank you. :)